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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian
Then NATO is clearly unnecessary, and we shouldn't belong. Gotcha.
You belong because it supports US operations in the Mediterranean, Middle East, North Africa and globally, whilst helping to support US intelligence gathering and security.
It also supports the US Military in terms of medical facilities for wounded personnel, or in relation to logistics, transport, refuelling, naval support and numerous other activities.
Without NATO the US would have to ask nations every time it wanted to fly across their air space, would have to make requests every time it entered their waters and would have a lot less intelligence gathering capabilities, at a time when China and Russia have shown that they are willing to work far more closely in such areas.
NATO is about working in partnership, working together, training together, as well as supporting US Forces and Military activity in other regions. The US would have to be mad to pull out of NATO as it's a bargain compared to having to deploy forces without bases and support or to have less intelligence and security apparatus.
The US would have found it far more difficult to support military campaigns such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan, and NATO gives the US far greater reach in terms of military and intelligebce caoabilities for less than 5% of the US military budget.
You belong because it supports US operations in the Mediterranean, Middle East, North Africa and globally, whilst helping to support US intelligence gathering and security.
It also supports the US Military in terms of medical facilities for wonded personnel, or in relation to logistics, transport, refuelling, naval support and numerous other activities.
Without NATO the US would have to ask nations every time it wanted to fly across their air space, would have to make requests every time it entered their waters and
Totally unnecessary if the US government stuck to using our military for defense, as they should be.
Totally unnecessary if the US government stuck to using our military for defense, as they should be.
NATO is pointless for the US. Utterly pointless.
Uh, uh; so pointless the U.S. relied upon it as the only country to ever invoke it's charter.
Quote from a writer for the resurgent site:
“The only time NATO has ever invoked Article 5 and rushed to the aid of a NATO ally in response to an attack was on September 11, 2001.”
Erickson rips Trump supporters a new *******:
“Donald Trump wants to turn NATO into a damn shakedown scheme and you people are cheering him on. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You should be ashamed of the fact that your cult leader who claims to have been personally affected by 9/11 does not even know our NATO allies protected his ass that day. You should be ashamed that he wants to turn one of the strongest military alliances in the history of the world into a racket where protection is bought. You should be ashamed that you are not ashamed.”
Of course this is the case. What you'll get in response is a bunch wrongs being brought up as a justification for the wrongs you've just pointed out.
Which has indeed been the case.
All of these 50+ year old entanglements should be scrapped, discarded and shredded. If a need arises to ally temporarily with another country for this or that, so be it, let the Senate decide on a case by case basis. But all these legacy dinosaur alliances need to go the way of the dinosaur and become extinct.
NATO was a Cold War paranoia response. The Cold War ended damn near 30 years ago. The UN was a post-Hitler, no_more_Hitlers response. Since its inception, we've had monsters even worse take control here and there and never once get any sort of pushback from the no_more_Hitler org. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe, the every 3-4 years dictatorship/purge somewhere in Central or South America, etc. And the UN did nothing in any of the above cases. At this point, the UN exists to insult the US, condemn Israel, demand the US pay for something somewhere, and Israel cede land to somebody somewhere. They never seem to do much else.
Pretty sure the US will be just fine if we left both. We save money, and more importantly, we stop casting pearls before swine as a national policy.
Uh, uh; so pointless the U.S. relied upon it as the only country to ever invoke it's charter.
Quote from a writer for the resurgent site:
“The only time NATO has ever invoked Article 5 and rushed to the aid of a NATO ally in response to an attack was on September 11, 2001.”
Erickson rips Trump supporters a new *******:
“Donald Trump wants to turn NATO into a damn shakedown scheme and you people are cheering him on. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You should be ashamed of the fact that your cult leader who claims to have been personally affected by 9/11 does not even know our NATO allies protected his ass that day. You should be ashamed that he wants to turn one of the strongest military alliances in the history of the world into a racket where protection is bought. You should be ashamed that you are not ashamed.”
Yes, pointless, NATO nor article 5 needed to form a joint coalition, just as happened with the Iraq War, and our Pacific posturing which has no NATO type alliance.
You can form a quick military alliance in response to aggression without the costly and bureaucratic overhead NATO has.
NATO is a racket, they had zero military engagement during the Cold War, and they have had four since as they need something to do, an excuse to continue existing. Tell me, what threat did Libya have that warranted NATO action? Bosnia? None, zero, yet NATO, needing a mission, interjected itself.
Less than 5% of the US Defence Budget is spent on Europe, and less than 5% of US Service Personnel are based in Europe.
Europe has the second largest defence spending in the world, more than China and Russia combined.
Many countries in Europe don't have a any US Military bases, whilst outside of a few countries, the presense is hardly even noticable it is so small.
The US gets a lot out of Nato including supprt for US Operations globally and in terms of intelligence and security.
Well since no one would notice best to pull them all out. I think its in America's best interest to not be involved everywhere like it is. It creates animosity and is a big reason why the muslim extremists what to attack us. On top of it we really don't have the money.
"Trump will build a base in Poland and the Polish will pay for it"
hrmmmm where have I heard this before...
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