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Old 09-19-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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I was waiting for someone to point that out, lol!

This thread is a huge fail.
Remember when NK blew up their plutonium tower right in front of the whole world? That was a good one!

Kim is a master of BS and Con - Don the Con has no hope against a real master.

Also, notice that the 100's of thousands or millions that have starved and are in concentration camps, etc. aren't being addressed? Imagine...what that says to the world and to those poor North Koreans being tortured and starved.

But, don't worry, Mike P says "talks" should be finished by about 2021. Then, after the "talks", we can appoint committees.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:21 AM
 
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6 months and moving forward. See the difference.
6 months? Look into Libya. It was announced in late December 2003 that they would stop their nuclear program. 33 days later, Libya gave over its documents and equipment involved in production of nuclear weapons. And two months after that, they gave up missile parts and centrifuges.

That is actual progress. But Trump is the greatest negotiator, right? He's making Bush 43 look like a real genius. Right now, all we have are "promises" - from a dictator. Worth nothing.

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Over 2 years, and ZERO collusion....
First off, it hasn't been two years. No idea where you get that number from. But, facts? Pshaw! Who cares about those!

As for collusion - conservatives simply can't draw lines between straight forward things like multiple people corroborating that the Trump Tower meeting was about obtaining help from a foreign government in order to win an election. Hell, we aren't even talking about anonymous sources here. Trump Jr has said as much. That's your collusion right there. Right in front of you. Trump's open willingness to work with a foreign entity to win an election.

However, Trumpeteers simply parrot Trump himself: "No Collusion, zero collusion" - just say it over and over again as if it makes it true. He's played America like a fiddle.

Trump has zero credibility. It all started with that nonsense about Obama being born in Kenya. Which he stuck to... until the bitter end. Then he just shrugged it off. He is the originator of fake news. Facts mean nothing to Trump and he's now has a bunch of obsequious sycophants. He's been shown to lie over and over again. And time and time again when faced with facts that show his underhanded deeds, his followers just take him at his word.

Well, I digress.

Back to North Korea. 6 months and moving nowhere. I might as well agree to you that I'll give everyone on this forum $1000 if they meet my conditions. What are they? Who knows! Does it mean you are any closer to getting that $1000? No.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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6 months? Look into Libya. It was announced in late December 2003 that they would stop their nuclear program. 33 days later, Libya gave over its documents and equipment involved in production of nuclear weapons. And two months after that, they gave up missile parts and centrifuges.

That is actual progress. But Trump is the greatest negotiator, right? He's making Bush 43 look like a real genius. Right now, all we have are "promises" - from a dictator. Worth nothing.


First off, it hasn't been two years. No idea where you get that number from. But, facts? Pshaw! Who cares about those!

As for collusion - conservatives simply can't draw lines between straight forward things like multiple people corroborating that the Trump Tower meeting was about obtaining help from a foreign government in order to win an election. Hell, we aren't even talking about anonymous sources here. Trump Jr has said as much. That's your collusion right there. Right in front of you. Trump's open willingness to work with a foreign entity to win an election.

However, Trumpeteers simply parrot Trump himself: "No Collusion, zero collusion" - just say it over and over again as if it makes it true. He's played America like a fiddle.

Trump has zero credibility. It all started with that nonsense about Obama being born in Kenya. Which he stuck to... until the bitter end. Then he just shrugged it off. He is the originator of fake news. Facts mean nothing to Trump and he's now has a bunch of obsequious sycophants. He's been shown to lie over and over again. And time and time again when faced with facts that show his underhanded deeds, his followers just take him at his word.

Well, I digress.

Back to North Korea. 6 months and moving nowhere. I might as well agree to you that I'll give everyone on this forum $1000 if they meet my conditions. What are they? Who knows! Does it mean you are any closer to getting that $1000? No.
OK let's discuss. 2003, Libya -- didn't already have the nukes. We had just gone into Iraq and removed Saddam from power. Moamarr the madman (AKA - The Mad Dog Of The Middle East - according to Ronald Reagan) thought he was next on the list. So he willingly gave up his WMD's, quickly. See the difference?

Facts don't seem to mean much to the democrats either, starting with the fact that Trump won the election fair and square.

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Old 09-20-2018, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Boston
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if you're a Democrat, this is horrible news.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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Kim's having a ball getting out of his cocoon and being seen publicly by the world's press...gaining stature and recognition at every turn.

Give him his just due as a master manipulator. He's gaining everything while giving up nothing.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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6 months? Look into Libya. It was announced in late December 2003 that they would stop their nuclear program. 33 days later, Libya gave over its documents and equipment involved in production of nuclear weapons. And two months after that, they gave up missile parts and centrifuges.

That is actual progress. But Trump is the greatest negotiator, right? He's making Bush 43 look like a real genius. Right now, all we have are "promises" - from a dictator. Worth nothing..

How long prior to the announcement were those negotiations going on?


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First off, it hasn't been two years. No idea where you get that number from. But, facts? Pshaw! Who cares about those!
Obviously you don't care about facts....


It absoutley has been close to 2 years...you have to count when comey started, or are you saying that Mueller started all over and did not take any of comeys evidence into account?

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As for collusion - conservatives simply can't draw lines between straight forward things like multiple people corroborating that the Trump Tower meeting was about obtaining help from a foreign government in order to win an election. Hell, we aren't even talking about anonymous sources here. Trump Jr has said as much. That's your collusion right there. Right in front of you. Trump's open willingness to work with a foreign entity to win an election.

Getting dirt on your opponent is not collusion...you can draw all the straight or squiggly lines you want, but it's just not there, period...digging dirt is no illegal....

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However, Trumpeteers simply parrot Trump himself: "No Collusion, zero collusion" - just say it over and over again as if it makes it true. He's played America like a fiddle.

And for the anti-trumpers and Obama bot lickers, tell a lie enough and evidently it has to be true....

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Trump has zero credibility. It all started with that nonsense about Obama being born in Kenya. Which he stuck to... until the bitter end. Then he just shrugged it off. He is the originator of fake news. Facts mean nothing to Trump and he's now has a bunch of obsequious sycophants. He's been shown to lie over and over again. And time and time again when faced with facts that show his underhanded deeds, his followers just take him at his word.

When he gets the lie of the year, let us know, until then your savior Obama gets that distinction....

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Well, I digress.
Oh well...


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Back to North Korea. 6 months and moving nowhere. I might as well agree to you that I'll give everyone on this forum $1000 if they meet my conditions. What are they? Who knows! Does it mean you are any closer to getting that $1000? No.

6 months and moving forward, because you don't agree with it is not my problem. We received Soldiers remains. The reunion train has restarted.


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Both countries' defense chiefs also signed a 17-page accord in which the two countries vowed to "cease all hostile acts against each other."

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The two countries also pledged to:
  • Submit a joint bid to host the 2032 Summer Olympics.
  • Create rail and road links between North and South within the next year.
  • Stop military drills aimed at each other along the Military Demarcation Line, which divides the two countries, by November 1.
  • Remove 11 guard posts in the demilitarized zone by the end of the year.
  • Normalize the Kaesong Industrial complex and Kumgang tourism project as soon as the conditions allow

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/asia/...ntl/index.html


Other than just parroting what others say, why not do a little research so you don't look so damn foolish....
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:44 AM
 
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Kim's having a ball getting out of his cocoon and being seen publicly by the world's press...gaining stature and recognition at every turn.

Give him his just due as a master manipulator. He's gaining everything while giving up nothing.

You know what's been negotiated? WOW, you must be high in the ranks of the government? How's pompeo doing this morning?
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
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This should be the biggest story in the news. Incredible how rapidly we have improved relations with the hermit kingdom.

Also you don’t hear much about ISIS these days
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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After decades of nothing at all happening...... and problems getting WORSE....We at least have the North Koreans moving in the right direction.THAT . IS . PROGRESS
And TRUMP gets the credit, not Obama, Not Hillary, Not the democrats.
Happy to give Trump credit for.....nothing.

"....But on the issue that matters most to the United States — the dismantling of North Korea’s nuclear program — no one can claim much progress. Kim said he’d allow international inspectors into the country to watch as he destroys a missile engine testing site and a major nuclear facility, but experts say Pyongyang doesn’t actually need those specific sites anymore, which makes that a much less significant concession than it sounds..."

...Kim added the caveat that he’d follow through on his concessions if the US makes unspecifiedconcessions of its own. That’s a pretty important caveat: The North Korean leader has basically offered to give up very little while expecting America to concede more before anything happens...

“North Korea is still expecting Washington to make the first move,” Duyeon Kim, a nuclear and Koreas expert at the Center for a New American Security think tank, tells me. “The needle hasn’t moved at all..."

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/19/178784...on-declaration
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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You know what's been negotiated? WOW, you must be high in the ranks of the government? How's pompeo doing this morning?
I know everything that's been negotiated....you just told us all about it in the most authoritative fashion. Ask Pompeo yourself since you're apparently sitting on his lap...…...ooopsy……...I mean't left.....
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