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Old 09-19-2018, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Clown School
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Originally Posted by Sundaydrive00 View Post
No it's not. Knowing the signs of an intoxicated person, and not over serving patrons, is part of their training as a bartender. If a person is coming up to the bar obviously drunk, slurring their words and barely able to stand, it's time to cut them off and call them a cab.

It doesn't matter if they claim to have a DD or whatever, you still don't over serve anyone. A bartender's job is not to get the patrons trashed.
Most people are not slurring and falling over themselves after only 3 drinks.

But that will likely put them over the legal limit to drive.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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Do you have any idea of how much a record ruins someone's life? Having "just a minor misdemeanor" is enough to ensure that it'll be next to impossible for them to secure employment or rent a flat ever again.
No it won't. A minor misdemeanor is like a driving offense. You're describing a serious misdemeanor or felony.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Clown School
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How about we mirror Fedgov-policy on a medical procedures that involves any sort of drugs/sedation...you must have some sort of babysitter sign you out after the procedure, promising to babysit you for 24-hours..........pure idiocy IMHO.

Someone goes to a bar to drink, they must have a babysitter to drive them and stay with them until sober. Makes sense to me, as much sense as the Fedgov-policy on medical procedures involving sedation/drugs.
I'd prefer that over dumping the responsibility onto some hapless bartender who's scrambling around just trying to make a living.



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Old 09-19-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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I hate hearing stories like this. Do you remember if she was served alcohol using a fake ID or if the bartender knowingly served a minor?

I can't see holding a bartender responsible if she had a fake ID. The bartenders will need insurance to protect themselves from the actions of idiots.
IIRC, that's the case where the mom and baby were killed. The driver was with another girl. They had been to several places and, IIRC, the accident occurred later in the evening.

The bar tender was charged with not carding her. The girl was given drinks by the owner's son. This is not over yet.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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The bar is selling a product that impairs judgement.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Clown School
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The bar is selling a product that impairs judgement.
Which is why the drinking age limit is so high. Because presumably, people should have a sense of personal responsibility by then...one would think.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: SGV
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In Chicago and probably other large cities, many people walk or take a cab or uber when they're going to be drinking.

It's unreasonable to expect bartenders to babysit. In a busy bar that would be impossible. Then we have the issue of people going to a bar and ordering a few drinks to carry back to a bar table.

Personal responsibility. Whatever happened to it?
That's why I pay taxes: to have the government babysit me.

Just 15 minutes ago I was running with scissors and a man dressed up as Uncle Sam knocked on my door and told me to stop.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Clown School
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That's why I pay taxes: to have the government babysit me.

Just 15 minutes ago I was running with scissors and a man dressed up as Uncle Sam knocked on my door and told me to stop.
What are you doing typing this? You still have 7 more minutes of time-out.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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No it won't. A minor misdemeanor is like a driving offense. You're describing a serious misdemeanor or felony.
I worked at a recruitment agency and ran background checks on candidates. Anyone with even the slightest encounter with law enforcement (even getting a speeding ticket) was supposed to be put in the "no" pile.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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I worked at a recruitment agency and ran background checks on candidates. Anyone with even the slightest encounter with law enforcement (even getting a speeding ticket) was supposed to be put in the "no" pile.
Well be that as it may, just as the law says you can't drive over the speed limit even if you were unaware, you can't serve an intoxicated person. The fact that it may be rarely enforced or enforced only when a crime occurs or that your recruitment agency was unreasonable doesn't change anything. Most employers would want to know the circumstances of a misdemeanor before considering it disqualifying.
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