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Old 09-19-2018, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Union County, North Carolina
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NO sympathy for Walmart. They've been screwing suppliers forever. Assuming they were getting their goods at rock bottom prices, how come they can’t pay attention to their wonky grocery carts and customer service? I’ll answer that one for you...they don’t care about customer convenience.

Plenty of other stores manage to pay profit sharing to their employees, while offering high quality products and service.

So what, if Walmart has to pay more for their goods? They will raise their prices accordingly, just like everybody else.
Costco is a much better place to shop than Walmart. They pay their workers better and offer better health care to their employees, as well.
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: PSL
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How many new plants have been built since Trump rolled back those regulations? I bet you could count them on one hand!
Trump doesn't run the businesses does he? Nope.
Businesses can either jump on board or whine and blat and say you can't do this to us make us return to America.

I took advantage of his roll backs and tax cuts. They cant? I'm just a small time operation. Not a multi billion dollar operation.

Case in point-Harley Davidson.

No reason for them to scurry away like drowning rats.
They didn't have to shut a factory down.
All they had to do was stop catering to literally a dying market and bring forth a bike that appeals to younger generations. Beer belly, leather chaps, saddle bags, beards don't appeal to younger crowds that may have disposable income for a motorcycle.
Does Trump run Harley Davidson?
Nope.
How does Harley Davidson get a pass for being stuck in the 1970s-80s?
No reason to shut plants down and skip overseas if they would bring something to market younger generations would find appealing.

Hell even Dane_In_LA agreed with that.

There's a reason why Honda Yamaha Suzuki Kawasaki can all outsell Harley here in America...

Yet Harley Davidson granted, were impacted with stricter emissions regulations under obama, could have capitalized on the opportunity presented to them by Trump. They chose to be a run of the mill corporatist entity and say nope. Cya. Bring production overseas. If for those markets fine. Build them elsewhere for next to nothing with sweat shop labor bring it back over and make retirement on the sale of a new bike? Pfft nope. Harley would be able to justify the cost of their new bikes, if their bikes were hand built by artisans here. Not mass produced. I'll bet for them to build a new sportster, 2500 3k tops parts and labor per unit. MSRP 9K? LOL get outta here. Pick one up a year old with 2k miles for 4 5k let someone else take the whack in depreciation.

Same with Ford Motor company and GM building stuff in Mexico and China, or having components and sub assemblies brought to America for final assembly skirting taxes and tariffs for more profit.
Regulations placed against the automotive industry are voluminous.
Taxes don't help.

Strange how foreign car companies can build their cars here... GM and Ford can't?

That's part of the reason for the tariffs. Force the corporations hand to do more here.
Kinda like Obama and others can use EPA regulations to force a car company's hand to abide by emissions regulations out the ass. It's okay when it's emissions. Not okay to bring manufacturing and production back? Okie dokie...
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:51 PM
 
Location: California
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This is going be better for the USA in the long run. It will force the USA to rely on everything from bicycle parts to fan motors to be made in the USA. What a concept!
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:52 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Summary, not filtered through the CNN owned rag, Money:
  • Walmart asks for special priviledges.
  • Trump said no.
Don't see the problem here. This is what we elected him to do.


He ran against crony capitalism, and this is him keeping that promise. Of course Walmart flourished under Obama.
HA HA HA! He may have 'ran against crony capitalism' but he certainly hasn't governed like it.

The only two people he didn't hire from Goldman Sachs are Goldman and Sachs.

Stop drinking all that kool-aid.

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Fallacy of Relative Privation.
This ^^^^ is my absolute favorite Fallacy.
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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This is going be better for the USA in the long run. It will force the USA to rely on everything from bicycle parts to fan motors to be made in the USA. What a concept!
That is never going to happen.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Here.
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First they complained that Walmart’s low prices were putting mom-and-pop stores out of business, now they are complaining that Walmart’s high prices might bring manufacturing back to the US.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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First they complained that Walmart’s low prices were putting mom-and-pop stores out of business, now they are complaining that Walmart’s high prices might bring manufacturing back to the US.
That ship sailed many, many years ago.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Case in point-Harley Davidson.

No reason for them to scurry away like drowning rats.
They didn't have to shut a factory down.

All they had to do was stop catering to literally a dying market and bring forth a bike that appeals to younger generations. Beer belly, leather chaps, saddle bags, beards don't appeal to younger crowds that may have disposable income for a motorcycle.

There's a reason why Honda Yamaha Suzuki Kawasaki can all outsell Harley here in America...

Yet Harley Davidson granted, were impacted with stricter emissions regulations under obama, could have capitalized on the opportunity presented to them by Trump. They chose to be a run of the mill corporatist entity and say nope. Cya. Bring production overseas. If for those markets fine. Build them elsewhere for next to nothing with sweat shop labor bring it back over and make retirement on the sale of a new bike? Pfft nope. Harley would be able to justify the cost of their new bikes, if their bikes were hand built by artisans here. Not mass produced. I'll bet for them to build a new sportster, 2500 3k tops parts and labor per unit. MSRP 9K? LOL get outta here. Pick one up a year old with 2k miles for 4 5k let someone else take the whack in depreciation.

Same with Ford Motor company and GM building stuff in Mexico and China, or having components and sub assemblies brought to America for final assembly skirting taxes and tariffs for more profit.
Regulations placed against the automotive industry are voluminous.
Taxes don't help.

Strange how foreign car companies can build their cars here... GM and Ford can't?

That's part of the reason for the tariffs. Force the corporations hand to do more here.
Kinda like Obama and others can use EPA regulations to force a car company's hand to abide by emissions regulations out the ass. It's okay when it's emissions. Not okay to bring manufacturing and production back? Okie dokie...
HOGWASH - and blah, blah, blah. Nonsensical blather.

Harley has a growing European and Asian market and cannot afford to produce bikes here only to be tariffed over there. Therefore, anything sold outside the US will be made outside the US.

Further, US-based auto companies will be negatively impacted by tariffs on imported parts as well as steel and aluminum. There are tons of articles on this. Cost of new cars expected to increase by many thousands. The GM and Ford you cite have done plenty of complaining - google it.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Work could come back to the US.

Jobs wont. Unless you're into things like robotics. AI, industrial engineering, automation.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:12 PM
 
Location: PSL
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HOGWASH - and blah, blah, blah. Nonsensical blather.

Harley has a growing European and Asian market and cannot afford to produce bikes here only to be tariffed over there. Therefore, anything sold outside the US will be made outside the US.

Further, US-based auto companies will be negatively impacted by tariffs on imported parts as well as steel and aluminum. There are tons of articles on this. Cost of new cars expected to increase by many thousands. The GM and Ford you cite have done plenty of complaining - but you wouldn't know that, either, would you.
Source it domestically
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