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Old 09-20-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: NC
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Pushing a political agenda in a school is what the Soviet Union did. This bill would prevent that by not allowing teachers to endorse politicians or political parties while in the classroom among other things.
BS, and you know it.

You couldn't teach about the American revolution if you can't discuss politics. You couldn't teach about WW2. The title says "bill that would bar teachers from discussing politics". If that's not what is really in the bill, then the thread title is misleading from the get-go.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: NC
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First, where exactly in the explanation of the proposed bill does it say that? Secondly there is a distinct difference between teaching about politics and teaching politics.

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State Rep. Will Tallman (R) introduced the bill last week. The bill would prevent public school teachers from engaging in discussions about the U.S. government or about national politics in their classrooms.
The ONLY reason to "prevent public school teachers from engaging in discussions about the US Gov't" would be an agenda to allow a fascist pig of a POTUS, like Trump, to get away with his crap. I too get tired of the Hitler comparisons, but this one is spot on. First you forbid to teach the kids how THEIR government works, and then allow someone to do what Trump is already doing, and next thing you know, you'd better hope you are a healthy, white Christian if you want to enjoy the American Dream.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:35 PM
 
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No there is not.


Pa. lawmaker introduces bill that would bar teachers from discussing politics
Yes, there is a difference. My daughters had to take Government and POLITICS in Senior year in order to graduate. What are the platforms of each Political Party? Which party currently holds the majority in Congress? What Party does our Governor/Senators belong to? It is neutral and not favoring either one.

Participation in Government was another required Senior Course. One option was to write to a Congressperson about a particular issue that concerned them. It didn't matter if it was to Hillary Clinton or Mitch McConnell, as long as they submitted a copy, and a response if one, to the teacher.

My daughter was absolutely thrilled when she got a personal letter back addressing everything she wrote about. While she was still in HS when she wrote that letter, she was 18 and eligible to VOTE. Do you understand why the State required this course for Seniors??????

There is nothing wrong with a discussion ABOUT Politics and how our government operates. It can be neutral.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:40 PM
 
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After school clubs are outside of the classroom. Different matter entirely. If there are enough students who want a Conservative/Young Republican CLUB, let them have it; same as a Socialist/Democratic Club. Both sides.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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Yes, there is a difference. My daughters had to take Government and POLITICS in Senior year in order to graduate. What are the platforms of each Political Party? Which party currently holds the majority in Congress? What Party does our Governor/Senators belong to? It is neutral and not favoring either one.

Participation in Government was another required Senior Course. One option was to write to a Congressperson about a particular issue that concerned them. It didn't matter if it was to Hillary Clinton or Mitch McConnell, as long as they submitted a copy, and a response if one, to the teacher.

My daughter was absolutely thrilled when she got a personal letter back addressing everything she wrote about. While she was still in HS when she wrote that letter, she was 18 and eligible to VOTE. Do you understand why the State required this course for Seniors??????

There is nothing wrong with a discussion ABOUT Politics and how our government operates. It can be neutral.
This bill would stop ALL discussion of politics. So what she did would NOT be allowed.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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I don't think this is the answer, but we constantly have problems of liberal teachers pushing an agenda at my work and getting complaints.
Teachers and professors should not be pushing a political agenda. They are not there to get brainwashed, they are there to learn.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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If the class subject is Current Events, Politcs, or something relevant to the common indoctrination babblings, and is elective, then no problem.

But a Math, English or Chemistry teacher babbling about politics during class time is FAILING AT THEIR ASSIGNED JOB. They shouldn't be banned from speaking freely, but they should be fired if they aren't doing their freaking job. if you want to legislate that, just wait for the next round of collective bargaining that every teacher's union in America does about every 13 minutes or so, and when you cede to their mandatory wage increase demand, make it contingent on them ceding to your "blather on about crap besides the subject you are supposed to teach, and we can fire you" demand.

No need to have government restrict freedom of speech, but an employer can certainly demand better job performance and tie said performance on holding the aforementioned job.

So if Geometry teacher decides they simply have to spend 5 minutes of class time railing on about Trump, or Obama, or whatever that isn't freaking Geometry, fire their sorry arse. Eventually, you'll get teachers less willing to disrupt their own classrooms with their own b*llsh1_t.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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This is for you Conservatives blaming "Librual" Public Schools. Don't marry a Liberal and have children. Your kids will get far more "indoctrination" from your spouse than any teacher in school.

My kids growing up heard BOTH sides, especially around election time. They didn't need more Conservative Teachers in school because they heard their Dad, and Mom contradicting him. Both daughters grew up to be and married Liberals. Sometimes I do envy them. Peaceful. Hillary and Trump are banned words now in my home.

Truce time. That is what I have in my home. Maybe CONGRESS needs to declare a truce as well. You have to work together in a marriage. We've been married 44 years. Government needs to work together as well. Forget Winners and Losers. Become Partners.
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Old 09-20-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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If the class subject is Current Events, Politcs, or something relevant to the common indoctrination babblings, and is elective, then no problem.

But a Math, English or Chemistry teacher babbling about politics during class time is FAILING AT THEIR ASSIGNED JOB. They shouldn't be banned from speaking freely, but they should be fired if they aren't doing their freaking job. if you want to legislate that, just wait for the next round of collective bargaining that every teacher's union in America does about every 13 minutes or so, and when you cede to their mandatory wage increase demand, make it contingent on them ceding to your "blather on about crap besides the subject you are supposed to teach, and we can fire you" demand.

No need to have government restrict freedom of speech, but an employer can certainly demand better job performance and tie said performance on holding the aforementioned job.

So if Geometry teacher decides they simply have to spend 5 minutes of class time railing on about Trump, or Obama, or whatever that isn't freaking Geometry, fire their sorry arse. Eventually, you'll get teachers less willing to disrupt their own classrooms with their own b*llsh1_t.
Oh, yes I agree with you about Math, Science, etc., Teachers. If they are taking about Politics, they cannot be teaching the subjects the kids are supposed to taught. I had one teacher who always talked about her kids and grandkids; not teaching about Biology. No different.

A Social Studies Teacher certainly can and should teach ABOUT Government and Politics.
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Old 09-20-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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BS, and you know it.

You couldn't teach about the American revolution if you can't discuss politics. You couldn't teach about WW2. The title says "bill that would bar teachers from discussing politics". If that's not what is really in the bill, then the thread title is misleading from the get-go.
The thread title is from the title of the first link. Whether its true or not is open for discussion. It wasn't posted b/c its true or false. It was posted to open the discussion.
Most adults should be able to handle that.
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