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Old 09-20-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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what rape? who got raped?
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Who got raped?
Didn't mean to say anyone got raped, was just using it as a hypothetical to try to discern the OP's definition of "proven."
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Pardon me... what's your point?

That someone being terrible means that nobody should ever try to do the right thing?
As my late mother, aka The Princess of Proverbs, would say: " Two wrongs don't make a right".


RedZin, I also am becoming bored and irritated with the apologists and excusers and their fallacy of relevance that "Two wrongs make a right."
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm amazed that anyone who supports Trump would bring up Gennifer Flowers now. All it does is serve to remind us how AGHAST the GOP was at Clinton's philandering, but are totally ok with Trump's philandering, promiscuity, sexual harassment and sexual assaults. I guess it would have been ok if Flowers was a porn star and Clinton paid her off to keep her mouth shut so he could get elected?

Hypocrites you say? Lol.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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I'm amazed that anyone who supports Trump would bring up Gennifer Flowers now. All it does is serve to remind us how AGHAST the GOP was at Clinton's philandering, but are totally ok with Trump's philandering, promiscuity, sexual harassment and sexual assaults. I guess it would have been ok if Flowers was a porn star and Clinton paid her off to keep her mouth shut so he could get elected?

Hypocrites you say? Lol.
Remind me again who Trump sexually assaulted?

Not just someone who accused him one week before the election, but someone who has stood by the story for years and years, maybe someone who he settled with in court.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: My House
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Do you think people should be penalized based on an unproved claim? Yes or no.
I think claims should be thoroughly investigated.

If that means Kavanaugh would have to wait to be confirmed or to be replaced with another nominee and possibly suggested at a later date when there's time to investigate the claim against him, so be it.

That's not penalizing him at the expense of ignoring a woman's claim that she was sexually assaulted.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: My House
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So if you were refused a job offer, simply based on a claim from some third party from decades ago, you would be ok with that?
If the job offer was for a job that was PERMANENT and LIFELONG and there was a claim of something as serious as sexual assault, I would expect it to at least be thoroughly investigated.

This isn't a job at Taco Bell, man.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: My House
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Yes.
I'm gonna call you out on this.

If you were raped by some dude and you knew he raped you and you had been upset about it for years, and that guy was then being offered a job at such a high level that he could be making decisions that affected the very laws of this entire country, and you told others about it because you had questions regarding his fitness for that job, given what he had done to you... I am confident that you'd be upset that you were ignored.

I have been inappropriately groped before, too. I have not pressed charges, even though one of these instances, I was a child and I think the offender would have gone to prison.

But, neither person has ever been offered a job of any major consequence, that I am aware of. Nothing on a state or federal level, that's for sure.

If they were, I'd speak up.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Remind me again who Trump sexually assaulted?

Not just someone who accused him one week before the election, but someone who has stood by the story for years and years, maybe someone who he settled with in court.
I'll remind you, but if you can use Google--it's pretty easy to be 'reminded.' A refresher is always good though--just to remember who this guy Trump is.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1377...sexual-assault

Donald Trump Accusers: Women Who Alleged Sexual Misconduct | Time

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ions-full-list

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/polit...ers/index.html
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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I'm gonna call you out on this.

If you were raped by some dude and you knew he raped you and you had been upset about it for years, and that guy was then being offered a job at such a high level that he could be making decisions that affected the very laws of this entire country, and you told others about it because you had questions regarding his fitness for that job, given what he had done to you... I am confident that you'd be upset that you were ignored.

I have been inappropriately groped before, too. I have not pressed charges, even though one of these instances, I was a child and I think the offender would have gone to prison.

But, neither person has ever been offered a job of any major consequence, that I am aware of. Nothing on a state or federal level, that's for sure.

If they were, I'd speak up.
Who was raped?
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Pardon me... what's your point?

That someone being terrible means that nobody should ever try to do the right thing?
#MeToo wasn't a thing back then.....
They would not even let those women join in on the metoo deal, and tell their ordeal of dealing with men in power.
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