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Old 09-23-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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I've noticed that whenever disgruntled liberal fanatics get it in their heads to complain and whine about successful businesses, they always start off by telling lies about that business.

And sure enough, here's a classic example.

Wake up.
I have also heard that complaint from small town people even in this forum .Sell low to wipe out competition, then increase the price.

Unlimited financial backing , some obscure 20 year olds becoming CEO's of some successful companies only point to one thing which often goes unnoticed by Americans.
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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Ahhhhh....I get it. Everything's fine as long as you put the proper and pre-approved label on the power group that controls you. Funny how that label, all by itself, makes everyone in the "government" group evil and everyone in the "private sector capitalist" group pure as the driven snow, despite coming from the same gene pool. And, especially, despite the "pure" group having micro-managerial control of the "evil" group in modern times.

Not all private sector activities are good, not all government is bad. When someone clearly violates the law the government has to step in and deal with them.



What's especially fascinating is to hear people say that the blame game never works while chasing the many reasons for blame that they've always seen in their tails.[/quote]


I am not blaming successful companies you are. I don't see that we have a problem so I am not playing the blame game.



You just avoided my question twice. Once again, what is your solution for companies like Amazon?
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Not all private sector activities are good, not all government is bad. When someone clearly violates the law the government has to step in and deal with them.



What's especially fascinating is to hear people say that the blame game never works while chasing the many reasons for blame that they've always seen in their tails.

I am not blaming successful companies you are. I don't see that we have a problem so I am not playing the blame game.



You just avoided my question twice. Once again, what is your solution for companies like Amazon?[/quote]

Mine would be to abolish private control of capital.
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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That is corporate propaganda. The largest businesses have manipulated the free market out of existence. Political influence can be bought. Those with the money to buy access to power through donations and lobbying have used it to manipulate the market in their favor, destroying the free market. Power over the market is being used to funnel an increasingly larger share of the income generated in our economy to a few at the top, while sqeezing the majority of workers. This does not benefit most Americans who have very little power. It does not benefit our economy when concentrated wealth sits at the top and those who spend the largest percentage of their income increasingly have less to put back into the economy. .
You obviously do not know what a free market means.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/free-market

Here is a definition for you. To have a free market that means its free of government involvement. Not the government intervening to create some level playing field for businesses. That is socialism. Clearly you want socialism not a free market. Trump plays this game so did Obama.

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Again, propaganda. This is a very common talking point of the right. It's not true free market success if one's success was due to manipulation of the market. Success should be earned according to free market principles, not by manipulating the market in one's favor through political influence. Anyone who truly believes in the free market must be against the current state of using financial infuence over politicians to succeed. Not rewarding success achieved through market manipulation is not "punishing success."
Once again the free market means being free of government influence. That can only be attained by shrinking the size and influence of government. Yet you seem to want more government controls. Everyone in business looks for a competitive advantage. As long as their is a powerful central government they will turn to it for favors.

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What is it you think Bernie Sanders wants? Can you actually explain it without resorting to partisan nonsense?
Bernie Sanders wants to punish Amazon. At least that is what he is saying. And is the reason for all these anti Amazon threads started by a Sanders supporter.[/quote]
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Most under the infuence of partisan thinking can't accurately describe what and whom they are fighting against because they have not arrived at their views through information and critical thinking. They simply parrot partisan views.

Anyone who truly wants a smaller, less powerful government should not be supporting Republicans, they should be supporting independent thinking. A citizenry thinking for themselves is the greatest enemy of governmental power and those who would abuse it. It's extremely sad that Americans were given so much power in guiding the direction of their country but don't use it.
I don't support Republicans. I am a Libertarian and see little difference in policy between the GOP and DEMS. I have said that several times in these Amazon threads. I am not a partisan hack by either side of our horrible two party system. Both parties want a big government with high taxes. At least the Dems are up front about it but the GOP pretends to be otherwise then enacts policy that is exactly like the Democrats.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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Ha, just about every large business CEO hates Amazon. They all know and hope Amazon doesn't enter their market. From Pharmaceuticals, to cloud, to damn underware and beans, Amazon is a force which cannot be stopped.

Wal-mart never sold it's own health insurance and owned and sold the phone number and cell phone and app you used to call the health insurance place. Wal-mart didn't own the hammer company, and the IT back end the hammer company used to make the hammers. Wal-mart didn't own the store to which the hammer company people bought their food.

Amazon will.


In the American wheel of fortune Amazon hit the jackpot. In fact the wheel doesn't spin. Our working government will surely correct this. Oh, that's right...

All those free market republicans have since got jobs at uber and they can't afford to protest the liberals anymore. The liberals are on welfare and are urban outdoors people so they don't bother voting. Best country money can bury. Amazon's CEO says this world is so crazy he needs to figure out how to rocket away to destroy another one.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Ha, just about every large business CEO hates Amazon. They all know and hope Amazon doesn't enter their market. From Pharmaceuticals, to cloud, to damn underware and beans, Amazon is a force which cannot be stopped.

Wal-mart never sold it's own health insurance and owned and sold the phone number and cell phone and app you used to call the health insurance place. Wal-mart didn't own the hammer company, and the IT back end the hammer company used to make the hammers. Wal-mart didn't own the store to which the hammer company people bought their food.

Amazon will.


In the American wheel of fortune Amazon hit the jackpot. In fact the wheel doesn't spin. Our working government will surely correct this. Oh, that's right...

All those free market republicans have since got jobs at uber and they can't afford to protest the liberals anymore. The liberals are on welfare and are urban outdoors people so they don't bother voting. Best country money can bury. Amazon's CEO says this world is so crazy he needs to figure out how to rocket away to destroy another one.
Watch the video, it debunks all your fantasies that Amazon was built through hard work and innovation.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:51 PM
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Location: Suburb of Chicago
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You are confusing convenience and advancement to laziness.

I think lazy people are lazy with or without our current technology.

I use our modern advances as tools to prosper not as a crutch to not do anything. If I can order something with a push of a button instead of driving to a store I can use the spare time for my business.

We could go back to the days where everyone had a spear and had to hunt down and kill an animal if they wanted dinner. I will take today's world, and Amazon thank you.
These things don't do anything to enhance anyone's lives, as far as I'm concerned.

And there's something between, 'as little movement as possible' and 'hunting down an animal so you can eat'.
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This pretty much sums it up.

Time and convenience--two very valuable commodities to both men and women these days.

It's fast, it's easy, and it's cheaper.

I don't know how many times we've been at Pier One or some other retail store, like Home Depot, in a long line where cashiers keep disappearing, and looked at each other and said "this is why brick & mortar retail is failing." Really--who wants to waste their time in line for mundane items that can be delivered to you in two days?

For busy people, time is precious and Amazon, Overstock, Wayfair and Ebay make much more time available for things other than shopping or driving to stores and sitting in traffic.

And Alexa said 'orange juice' the other day for no reason at all! It was a gift, but some day I'm hoping to figure out how to have it do something useful.
Thank you! From someone who has one. You're right - it isn't useful. And never eat or drink anything Alexa is telling you to...lol.

I'm so not into this stuff I got her name wrong. Alexa. I think I called her Alexis. As I was typing my post all I could think of was the little boy asking her to play digger digger.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Clown School
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My main issue with Amazon is how they treat their employees. I've known people who worked for them, and it's a very boot-to-the-throat atmosphere. My SIL had a nervous breakdown and had to quit.

I also don't love how they're worming their way into so many different industries. Taken to the extreme, they could theoretically become the de facto government this way.

But, it's capitalism indeed.
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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You mean they got private subsidies and sold low until they wiped out the competition. Is that legal?

I'm not pro or anti Amazon. I don't buy much from them either.

My question is if there is a problem, how do you solve it without involving the government?
Actually that's an easy answer. You don't buy from Amazon, and you don't shop at Whole Foods.
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:22 PM
 
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You obviously do not know what a free market means.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/free-market

Here is a definition for you. To have a free market that means its free of government involvement. Not the government intervening to create some level playing field for businesses. That is socialism. Clearly you want socialism not a free market. Trump plays this game so did Obama.


Once again the free market means being free of government influence. That can only be attained by shrinking the size and influence of government. Yet you seem to want more government controls. Everyone in business looks for a competitive advantage. As long as their is a powerful central government they will turn to it for favors.


Bernie Sanders wants to punish Amazon. At least that is what he is saying. And is the reason for all these anti Amazon threads started by a Sanders supporter.

Your reading comprehension skills need an upgrade. You are just making up nonsense and pretending that's what I stated and that is unacceptable. Unfortunately, this is common when people don't understand what they are actually talking about or know they can't defend their position.

As I suspected you are only capable of spouting talking points.
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