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Old 09-22-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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WASHINGTON — Trump administration officials announced Saturday that immigrants who legally use public benefits like food assistance and Section 8 housing vouchers could be denied green cards under new rules aimed at keeping out people the administration deems a drain on the country.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/u...pgtype=article

 
Old 09-22-2018, 05:16 PM
 
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WASHINGTON — Trump administration officials announced Saturday that immigrants who legally use public benefits like food assistance and Section 8 housing vouchers could be denied green cards under new rules aimed at keeping out people the administration deems a drain on the country.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/u...pgtype=article
NYT won't let me read the article - guess I've used up my quota for the week/month/year.

Regardless, it's a good move. When I immigrated here legal immigrants weren't allowed to access any benefits at all for five years (I think it was). Before NYT cut me off from the article I saw the phrase "millions of poor immigrants". The country doesn't need millions of poor immigrants. We've got millions of poor Americans to worry about. I am an American citizen now BTW.
 
Old 09-22-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Long over due.

Winning !!!
 
Old 09-22-2018, 05:42 PM
 
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Great...thats the way it should be. Why in the world would we import a person who can't even support themselves? Where's the benefit?

Kick em all out!
 
Old 09-22-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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WASHINGTON — Trump administration officials announced Saturday that immigrants who legally use public benefits like food assistance and Section 8 housing vouchers could be denied green cards under new rules aimed at keeping out people the administration deems a drain on the country.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/u...pgtype=article
Confusing. Because legal immigrants are already prevented from using any benefits for five years. They can't get welfare, section 8, food stamps, etc. That's why they are required to have a sponsor who promises to support them until the 5 years are up.

So in what way is this something new?

Legal immigration is a long, expensive, involved process. Background checks, identity checks, medical exams, vaccinations (all paid for by the immigrant.) A LEGAL immigrant is someone who has a green card.
 
Old 09-22-2018, 06:29 PM
 
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Confusing. Because legal immigrants are already prevented from using any benefits for five years. They can't get welfare, section 8, food stamps, etc. That's why they are required to have a sponsor who promises to support them until the 5 years are up.

So in what way is this something new?

Legal immigration is a long, expensive, involved process. Background checks, identity checks, medical exams, vaccinations (all paid for by the immigrant.) A LEGAL immigrant is someone who has a green card.
You are correct. It's confusing (with the gov't and media using the incorrect terms) but is aimed at those who are in the country legally on temporary visas (work visas and other non-immigrant visas..) who are applying for permanent residency green cards. AFAIK they have never been eligible for these benefit programs.
 
Old 09-22-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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You are correct. It's confusing (with the gov't and media using the incorrect terms) but is aimed at those who are in the country legally on temporary visas (work visas etc...) who are applying for permanent residency green cards. AFAIK they have never been eligible for these benefit programs.
I assumed that part but can't read the NYT article and don't know what they are talking about. How are those on temporary visas getting benefits and section 8? Maybe it's fake news. If they did somehow or were here illegal then they shouldn't get an immigrant visa.
 
Old 09-22-2018, 07:25 PM
 
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Some of you really need to up your game in terms of internet searches, and or getting around pay wall or link back restrictions. Numerous other sites are covering this latest action by administration, not just NYT.


Being as that may, from Politico:


"The proposed regulation would provide a more robust enforcement mechanism for longstanding statutory boilerplate that bars immigrants "likely to become a public charge." Immigration law doesn’t define the phrase explicitly, but states that age, health, family status, financial resources, education, and skills should be taken into account. Guidance issued in 1999, under President Bill Clinton, further outlined that immigrants could be considered a public charge if they were “primarily dependent“ on government benefits, but narrowly defined those benefits as cash assistance or long-term, institutionalized care. This proposed rule greatly expands that definition." https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...s-trump-836456


What DT and his instruments are doing is vastly expanding the definition of "public charge" to prevent those here on legal visas from beginning the process of becoming US citizens.


For various reasons of their own not every legal visa holder rushes to begin citizenship process soon as they qualify. Long as they remain qualified and or their visas are renewed a good number simply put things off.
 
Old 09-22-2018, 07:44 PM
 
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Some of you really need to up your game in terms of internet searches, and or getting around pay wall or link back restrictions. Numerous other sites are covering this latest action by administration, not just NYT.


Being as that may, from Politico:


"The proposed regulation would provide a more robust enforcement mechanism for longstanding statutory boilerplate that bars immigrants "likely to become a public charge." Immigration law doesn’t define the phrase explicitly, but states that age, health, family status, financial resources, education, and skills should be taken into account. Guidance issued in 1999, under President Bill Clinton, further outlined that immigrants could be considered a public charge if they were “primarily dependent“ on government benefits, but narrowly defined those benefits as cash assistance or long-term, institutionalized care. This proposed rule greatly expands that definition." https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...s-trump-836456


What DT and his instruments are doing is vastly expanding the definition of "public charge" to prevent those here on legal visas from beginning the process of becoming US citizens.


For various reasons of their own not every legal visa holder rushes to begin citizenship process soon as they qualify. Long as they remain qualified and or their visas are renewed a good number simply put things off.
It still doesn't answer the question of how it is that temporary visa holders or even legal permanent residents are getting public benefits or show evidence of being a public charge in the first place.
 
Old 09-22-2018, 07:46 PM
 
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Confusing. Because legal immigrants are already prevented from using any benefits for five years. They can't get welfare, section 8, food stamps, etc. That's why they are required to have a sponsor who promises to support them until the 5 years are up.

So in what way is this something new?

Legal immigration is a long, expensive, involved process. Background checks, identity checks, medical exams, vaccinations (all paid for by the immigrant.) A LEGAL immigrant is someone who has a green card.
You're right, I was thinking that this is will be aimed at asylum seekers but I looked up the new rule and asylum seekers and refugees aren't subject to the rule. In fact as far as I can tell hardly anyone is....

Here is the rule, all 447 pages of it. The list of classes of immigrants subject to the rule is on page 37
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...lic-Charge.pdf
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