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Old 09-27-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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LOL, the last thing on Obama's mind was the economy. Of greater concern to him were re-distribution health care programs, running up debt, and a world apology tour. So you're right, I didn't thank Obama for anything other than killing Bin Laden where he gets a big thank you.
Apologies are a Christian thing. Is that why conservatives are still upset over it?
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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No, because I was told that the world would be a much better place and the sins of while men were redeemed and I got to keep my doctors if I like.

None of those were true. I was almost laid off thanks to Obama's direct interference, but 1000+ coworkers were laid off.
And there have already been people laid off because of Trump's tariffs. So you have no point.

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Obama stirred up racial tensions so that high that the Everest was no longer the highest point
You know what? In a way, I actually agree. Lots of conservative white people got so upset we didn't have a white male in the Oval Office - preferably a conservative one - that they started seeing racial problems where there were none, or noticing racial problems they didn't pay attention to before, all because they were so afraid of the non-white guy in the Oval Office. They started blaming non-White people for everything they possibly could, because they are afraid of non-white people in power.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: NC
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You see, when you make an effort to actually understand the statistics you're talking about, you can see nuances and trends that one would ignore if one were looking at it solely through a political lens.


my degree is in statistics, Im ready to talk about anything in 2nd derivative terms when you are... even though derivatives are technically Calculus
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Here is a long-term chart of durable goods orders. Notice they bottomed out a few months after Obama took office and began rising sharply. Strange I didn't hear people like the OP telling everyone how strongly they were rising back then, even though they were. In 2014-mid 2016 they tailed off a bit, which was largely a result of the crash of oil prices and decline in oil field equipment and related items.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DGORDER

You see, when you make an effort to actually understand the statistics you're talking about, you can see nuances and trends that one would ignore if one were looking at it solely through a political lens.
Now tell me, did durable goods orders not rise while Obama was in office? You don't even need a statistics degree to figure that one out.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Demand for aircraft is a long-term phenomenon that is little affected by politics or other short-term things. Much of the demand is from China and other overseas nations. In these durable goods orders reports, you can get a single Boeing order that skews the whole report - if some airline in China orders a hundred or so 737's you can get a big surge in aircraft orders for that month, which is typically reversed the next month, I might add. Because of this volatility, economists typically only pay attention to the core capital goods subcomponent of the durable goods orders, because it's a better reflection of business investment and is less volatile.
And here is nondefense capital goods excluding aircraft, which is the series I referred to above:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NEWORDER
It reached a new, all-time high in March 2012.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Apologies are a Christian thing. Is that why conservatives are still upset over it?
How about sending over huge amounts of money to Iran, in the dead of night, in the last hours of his presidency? Do I have a right to be upset about that?
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:39 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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How about sending over huge amounts of money to Iran, in the dead of night, in the last hours of his presidency? Do I have a right to be upset about that?


No, it was their money (plus interest and penalties) being returned to them. There is nothing to be upset about.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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Buying before Trumps tariffs cause prices to increase. What a way to boost economic numbers, so you can brag about them at least for few days before elections, before the bottom falls out.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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How about sending over huge amounts of money to Iran, in the dead of night, in the last hours of his presidency? Do I have a right to be upset about that?
We gave them back what belonged to them. You would have preferred the U.S. steal it instead?
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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LOL, the last thing on Obama's mind was the economy. Of greater concern to him were re-distribution health care programs, running up debt, and a world apology tour. So you're right, I didn't thank Obama for anything other than killing Bin Laden where he gets a big thank you.
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There wasn’t any economic growth under Obama, because Obama was a socialist.

Now that Trump is president, the economy is booming.

During Obama's time in office the stock market rose from 6,547 to 19,762.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow...-last-10-years

And both Obama and Bill Clinton had larger stock market increases than Donald Trump.
https://cabotwealth.com/daily/stock-...rump-vs-obama/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndor...a-and-clinton/


Under Obama the unemployment rate fell from 9.9% to 4.7%.
https://www.thebalance.com/unemploym...y-year-3305506
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

And Obama added more jobs to the economy than Trump.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/05/new...obs/index.html


Obama decreased our deficits by 2/3.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ased-two-thir/


And Obama decreased government spending.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...-barack-obama/

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