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Old 09-29-2018, 07:01 PM
 
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Liberals aren't left, they're center right. They hold back the left by exclusively talking about identity politics as to distract the leftist movement from foriegn policy, industrial farming, the MIC, worker treatment, etc.

They always do this, and constantly warn dems of moving too far left.

And none of the organizations/people you mentioned were leftist, they're frauds.

I don't like fox ,etc. But if they're telling the truth, I'll agree with them.
Not only there comments defending FOX, but complaining about MSNBC, the liberal press and smearing Republicans.

Just own the elephant and the Cheeto.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:10 PM
 
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Talk about you living in lala land. Republicans respect law and order? Are you really saying that with a straight face? Republicans are not corrupt? The Trump administration is one of the most corrupted administration in modern US history.
I didn’t mean there were no corrupt republican politicians, and I stated clearly I’m disturbed by Trump, but yes with a straight face I can say the Rs respect law and order and civility much much more than the Ds.

Show me any republicans that are rioting and burning buildings down, that are pulling historic statues down illegally, encouraging people to kill and disrespecting police, that are encouraging people to violate immigration laws and harbor criminals in sanctuary cities, or hiring antagonizers at democrat rallies, rioting over or forbiding democrat speakers at colleges, urinating on police cars, chasing democrats and their families out of restaurants, or writing songs about gang raping women. Where are the republicans spitting or beating up on democrats because they wear a hat or T-shirt supporting Hillary?
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Not only there comments defending FOX, but complaining about MSNBC, the liberal press and smearing Republicans.

Just own the elephant and the Cheeto.
This is nonsense. Just because I don't like democrats tearing this country apart to push right wing policy (confronting Russia in Syria, etc.) doesn't mean I'm a republican.

I'm much further left then you'll ever be. I actual care that employees don't have a say in large democrat friendly organizations like Amazon, or how chemical and industrial farming via Tysons and Monsanto are abusing farmers and limiting worker freedoms. Or how Raytheon is making money off of dead children.

These are real issues, not your delusional trump Russia nonsense that you actually think is important (it's just an excuse for feinstein and friends to push far right policies in Ukraine, Syria, and elsewhere).

Do you really think dems give an F*** about rape victims when they defended Clinton and turned Libya into a sex slave market. Really?

and be honest.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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What shred of evidence does Avenatti have. Making baseless claims and refusing to back them up counts as lying to me.
This sounds like what you are doing in this thread. You have not shown any evidence of lying, nor does the article you linked show any evidence of lying. So, who is the liar here?

No, the Democratic party is not doomed. If anything, they have a brighter future than the Republicans as they embrace the future. The R's speak to a dying electorate in this country. But, that can change.

BTW, you may be extremist but I don't read left wing. I'm personally a moderate with sympathy towards the left.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This sounds like what you are doing in this thread. You have not shown any evidence of lying, nor does the article you linked show any evidence of lying. So, who is the liar here?

No, the Democratic party is not doomed. If anything, they have a brighter future than the Republicans as they embrace the future. The R's speak to a dying electorate in this country. But, that can change.

BTW, you may be extremist but I don't read left wing. I'm personally a moderate with sympathy towards the left.
1. The burden of proof is on the excuser

2. I think I’m moderate, it’s just I’d be considered an extremist by the American mainstream. I think capitalism is extreme and I think imperialism is extreme, and the ‘moderates’ who support it as extreme.

I’m a socialist, I find worker control of production, Democratic worker councils, and voluntary participation as moderate.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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I didn’t mean there were no corrupt republican politicians, and I stated clearly I’m disturbed by Trump, but yes with a straight face I can say the Rs respect law and order and civility much much more than the Ds.

Show me any republicans that are rioting and burning buildings down, that are pulling historic statues down illegally, encouraging people to kill and disrespecting police, that are encouraging people to violate immigration laws and harbor criminals in sanctuary cities, or hiring antagonizers at democrat rallies, rioting over or forbiding democrat speakers at colleges, urinating on police cars, chasing democrats and their families out of restaurants, or writing songs about gang raping women. Where are the republicans spitting or beating up on democrats because they wear a hat or T-shirt supporting Hillary?
No, Republicans carry tiki torches and kill women with cars. Trump calls them good people.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I'm on the left, further left than democrats.

Does that mean I can't be disgusted by what democrats are doing?
No, it does not. I'm not a Democrat by any means, because I am disgusted by their lack of vision and a message that resonates with the American people.

However, even as an independent, I'm not ever going to vote for a deeply corrupt, ideological, and racist mob like today's Republican Party
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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I’m far left but when I look at the democrats and their baseless attacks, and the media digging deeper for them, I start to believe that they are forever doomed.

No one is ever going to believe them again, especially with con artists like Avenatti running around making false accusations.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...udiciary%3famp

Please be honest, are democrats embarrassed at their own party? Because this is disgusting, and you know they don’t give a **** as they were the same people who defend the rapist Clinton and turned Libya into a sex slave market.

It looks bad for them: More Than 5 Million People Watched The Kavanaugh Hearing On Fox News - The Daily Caller
You are not even remotely "far left." Both of your sources are far-right sources.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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For years, both parties have claimed the end of the other party was near. So to answer your question, no.


Yes, concur. I see the dems thriving and taking over the political system down the road. Conservative views are dying off with the old white people. People want progressive politics.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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1. The burden of proof is on the excuser
I agree. However, you are jumping the gun here. Patience.

2. I think I’m moderate, it’s just I’d be considered an extremist by the American mainstream. I think capitalism is extreme and I think imperialism is extreme, and the ‘moderates’ who support it as extreme.

I don't understand the context of capitalism and imperialism as being extreme. Extreme to...? Capitalism and imperialism built this country. We get upset about what that took but at the same time we live the rewards. Many things have changed and we try to be better.

I’m a socialist, I find worker control of production, Democratic worker councils, and voluntary participation as moderate.
Socialists sound good on paper but I honestly think the execution and reality is pie in the sky. That's just my opinion. It does not invalidate your opinion. I'd be happy with introducing more socialistic aspects to our government. I think the key is, as you say, voluntary.
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