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Old 10-06-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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The Democrats call it Medicare-for-All which sounds like Medicare remains and everyone else is added in.

It doesn't.

Medicare, Medicare Advantage Plans, Medicaid, Tricare, all employer and union-sponsored health plans go away and are replaced by one government-run plan.

That may not sound bad, but the plan will cover all RESIDENTS of the US, not just citizens, for everything from annual exams to nursing home care.

With 22M illegal immigrants (according to 2018 Yale University report) and counting plus 320M citizens, this will be hugely expensive.

When the inevitable rationing happens (just like England), seniors will be at the end of the line for treatments.

If youíre rich, youíll go outside the government plan and private pay for good care, just like Kate Middleton did for her births. The rest of us will stand in line.

If you think Iím over dramatizing, read the bill Sen. Sanders introduced which is now supported by Democrats from Barack Obama on down:
https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/s...115s1804is.pdf

I hate Democrat politicians.
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Old 10-06-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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So may I ask, what's the solution you want?
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Old 10-06-2018, 01:55 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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The idea behind insurance is that the financial risk is spread out over the group. Sets of healthy people make a very favorable group: low risk for running up the bill, so premiums stay lowest. Larger sets that don't exclude high risk folks will run up bigger bills, hence premiums must be higher.


Ultimately, the biggest group over which the risk can be spread is to include everyone-- but that also is the maximum risk, hence-- highest premiums.


There is no free lunch. Single payer is the costliest way to go-- and we haven't even mentioned yet the increased demand that single payer will enable. In the traditional system, many people opted out of carrying insurance, and at the same time, stayed away from the doctor. Once someone else is paying, those excluded people enter the system, increasing the bill as they start utilizing services.


Now for the real killer in the financial picture. All those $15/hr claim-processing jobs now in the private sector become $30/hr + obscene retirement benefits after only 25 yrs of service as govt union employees.



Surely food, clothing and shelter are all more important than healthcare. Why don't liberal politicians push plans to provide those "free" to everyone before they push plans for universal healthcare? Answer is easy: to push for those other more important things is too obviously an insincere effort to buy votes with taxpayer money. Healthcare is more subtle and fools more easily swayed, naive voters.
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Old 10-06-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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So may I ask, what's the solution you want?
I’m curious myself. And I especially wonder why the OP seems to think that care rationing doesn’t occur now.
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Old 10-06-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Democrats call it Medicare-for-All which sounds like Medicare remains and everyone else is added in.

It doesn't.

Medicare, Medicare Advantage Plans, Medicaid, Tricare, all employer and union-sponsored health plans go away and are replaced by one government-run plan.

That may not sound bad, but the plan will cover all RESIDENTS of the US, not just citizens, for everything from annual exams to nursing home care.

With 22M illegal immigrants (according to 2018 Yale University report) and counting plus 320M citizens, this will be hugely expensive.

When the inevitable rationing happens (just like England), seniors will be at the end of the line for treatments.

If you’re rich, you’ll go outside the government plan and private pay for good care, just like Kate Middleton did for her births. The rest of us will stand in line.

If you think I’m over dramatizing, read the bill Sen. Sanders introduced which is now supported by Democrats from Barack Obama on down:
https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/s...115s1804is.pdf

I hate Democrat politicians.
This is what keeps you up at night?

The chances of this policy becoming law in the next decade are nil.

What you SHOULD be worrying about is the very real possibility that Trump and his GOP cabal will make cuts in the Medicare and SS we have now. Not some pie in the sky idea of Sanders. The Trump and GOP cuts are much more of a possibility--and they are also taking away requirements for insurance companies to pay for pre-existing conditions.

Worry about the ones with the power who want to make life more difficult for seniors and those who need health insurance.
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Old 10-06-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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The Democrats call it Medicare-for-All which sounds like Medicare remains and everyone else is added in.

It doesn't.

Medicare, Medicare Advantage Plans, Medicaid, Tricare, all employer and union-sponsored health plans go away and are replaced by one government-run plan.

That may not sound bad, but the plan will cover all RESIDENTS of the US, not just citizens, for everything from annual exams to nursing home care.

With 22M illegal immigrants (according to 2018 Yale University report) and counting plus 320M citizens, this will be hugely expensive.

When the inevitable rationing happens (just like England), seniors will be at the end of the line for treatments.

If youíre rich, youíll go outside the government plan and private pay for good care, just like Kate Middleton did for her births. The rest of us will stand in line.

If you think Iím over dramatizing, read the bill Sen. Sanders introduced which is now supported by Democrats from Barack Obama on down:
https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/s...115s1804is.pdf

I hate Democrat politicians.


I've been saying that since the advent of the Medicare for All mantra. When they proposed it during the Obama administration, I said it was really going to be Obamacare for All Including Seniors. Don't kid yourself. The exemption of seniors on Medicare from ACA was a thorn in their side because they couldn't pick the pockets of seniors.

And the same thing will happen now. Anyone who thinks that seniors currently on Medicare won't be drawn into some sort of "tiered" (and more expensive) scheme under a Medicare for All plan, has a strudel in his noodle.
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Old 10-06-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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The Democrats call it Medicare-for-All which sounds like Medicare remains and everyone else is added in.

It doesn't.

Medicare, Medicare Advantage Plans, Medicaid, Tricare, all employer and union-sponsored health plans go away and are replaced by one government-run plan.
No. Medicare For All is a public option. That means no one is forced or coerced to drop employer or union plans, but we would all have the option to choose Medicare/Medicaid if we want to. ... and millions of people will want to choose Medicare For All because the premiums will be cheaper than private sector plans. Medicare has the lowest overhead of any health delivery system in the country and they don't charge extra to make a profit either.

Medicare For All would save the country $2 trillion over 10 years. Under the current privatized system, we are projected to spend $34T over the next 10 years, while the cost of MFA is projected at $32T.

Medicare For All makes a lot of sense. It is not a new program, it's an expansion of a 50-year old program that's been very successful and popular.
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Old 10-06-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The idea behind insurance is that the financial risk is spread out over the group. Sets of healthy people make a very favorable group: low risk for running up the bill, so premiums stay lowest. Larger sets that don't exclude high risk folks will run up bigger bills, hence premiums must be higher.


Surely food, clothing and shelter are all more important than healthcare. Why don't liberal politicians push plans to provide those "free" to everyone before they push plans for universal healthcare? Answer is easy: to push for those other more important things is too obviously an insincere effort to buy votes with taxpayer money. Healthcare is more subtle and fools more easily swayed, naive voters.
While no fan of single payer there is nothing more important than your health. You have your health you will be able to obtain other needs.

June last year my wife suffered a stroke. Six days later I
Was told she would never awake from a vegetative state. Against all odds she did. Two months later house flooded. The house flooding felt like a flea bite the near death of my wife trampling by elephants in comparison

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Old 10-06-2018, 03:15 PM
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Location: New Jersey
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Illegals already get free care. Fix that problem first. Then work on whether Americans and residents should get subsidized healthcare.
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Old 10-08-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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Elliott_CA - Medicare for All is not a public option. Read Section 107 of the bill. Employer health plans go away. You're thinking of an earlier bill that never went anywhere.
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