Saudi crown prince ordered operation to lure and detain journalist Jamal Khashoggi MERGED (prosecute, Iraq)
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale
You are seriously comparing invading a country with one country killing one of its own citizens?
Cmon I know you can do better than that one! Edit like your second argument a bit better. Still aint ours.
No Im not for anyone killing journalists. Im just wondering where all the hype is coming from when the whole thing has little to do with us beyond him being in the US and employed here a little under 1 year.
No, I'm saying there's a very large difference between acceptable behavior from your enemies than from your alleged friends. Like it or not, people and countries are known by the company they keep. I said when Trump first disclosed his list of Muslim countries we should ban immigration from that not including Saudi Arabia made it laughable at best, I believe it still is.
Corker called the Trump administration's claim that there is no direct evidence of the crown prince's involvement "unacceptable."
South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said, "It's not a smoking gun, it's a smoking saw." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-...ry?id=59598135
LOL, put another log on the fire of the MELTDOWN of Agent Orange!
Yes, those are the facts, but have you also investigated the alternative facts?
Still not our citizen
Still killed out of the US
Only here briefly on a genius visa.
A Saudi killed by Saudis in Turkey
Scummy but how many of you want us to do something about China killing its own?
He was a US resident, and a US tax payer. Odds are high that he paid more in taxes then you did. And with those taxes, and us resident card, he deserved us protection. Your attempt to define only us citizens as deserving of protection is wrong. US taxpayers who are legal residents deserve protection from being slaughtered by foriegn governments.
And lets remember WHY he was told to stop publishing. Because he criticized Trump. This is despicable.
Corker called the Trump administration's claim that there is no direct evidence of the crown prince's involvement "unacceptable."
South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said, "It's not a smoking gun, it's a smoking saw." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-...ry?id=59598135
LOL, put another log on the fire of the MELTDOWN of Agent Orange!
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Originally Posted by burdell
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Originally Posted by TEPLimey
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
Maybe Khashoggi was killed by some guy in his home in New Jersey. Or somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.
What a disgrace.
And maybe Trump's an escapee from an institute of self-delusion and needs to be returned to his cel, er room.
First question is, didn't Khashoggi know that venturing into any area under total Saudi control was effectively "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway"?
On a serious note, maybe people don't appreciate that allies can be imperfect, and that we need allies in that part of the world. Not all allies can be the same as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Great Britain.
Saudi Arabia, and indeed almost all Muslim-majority nations are brutal, vicious tyrannies. No question about that. Saudi Arabia is engaged in a war with the Houthi rebels, supported by Iran. Neither are good, but Saudi Arabia must be allowed to win. A peaceful option ending in Jeffersonian democracies is just not possible in this part of the world. The West, led by the U.S. did not support the Iranian Shah against Khomeni. We thought Khomeni would be better. That has not proven to be the case.
People oppose Israel because their treatment of the "Palestinians" is imperfect. If the Palestinians win, the result will be an utter bloodbath, not an imperfect Jewish state. We would get not perfection but a dystopia.
Another example is the elimination of South African apartheid. In that case there was some hope that integration and order would prevail. Instead, it's crime, expropriation and mob rule.
In Vietnam we withdrew our support from the South Vietnamese government. Ditto Cambodia. In both cases what resulted was far worse. People don't set out on small boats and rafts from a nominally decent society.
Khashhoggi was apparently somewhat aligned with the Shi'ite forces and Iran. I do not applaud the killing of a defenseless person. However the killing must be seen against its backdrop, a deeply troubled and violent region.
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Originally Posted by burdell
NICE job of conveniently ignoring the facts that China doesn't pretend to be our ally nor does it claim to occupy the high moral ground as the US does, a claim beginning to have less and less factual support.
He was a US resident, and a US tax payer. Odds are high that he paid more in taxes then you did. And with those taxes, and us resident card, he deserved us protection. Your attempt to define only us citizens as deserving of protection is wrong. US taxpayers who are legal residents deserve protection from being slaughtered by foriegn governments.
And lets remember WHY he was told to stop publishing. Because he criticized Trump. This is despicable.
He was on a temporary visa here. Given his position, i seriously doubt he was paying that much in taxes, certainly not more than numerous residents will pay in their lifetime.
He deserves no more nor less protection than what any other non-citizen, not in the country, resided here on a temporary visa deserves, and that is little to none as our jurisdiction does not go beyond the borders, and sure does not include non-citizens. This guy would not even be able to have our embassy assist him, they would refer him to the Saudi embassy.
And yes, only those inside the US jurisdiction, and US citizens abroad, enjoy the protection of the US, at least what it can provide. I see no where that we are now providing protection for all 6 billion people in the world, legally we cannot as they are not even citizens.
Saudi Arabia executed almost 150 people last year, yet you are concerned over this one person? You know how many people Saudi Arabia has killed in Yemen?
He was a US resident, and a US tax payer. Odds are high that he paid more in taxes then you did. And with those taxes, and us resident card, he deserved us protection. Your attempt to define only us citizens as deserving of protection is wrong. US taxpayers who are legal residents deserve protection from being slaughtered by foriegn governments.
And lets remember WHY he was told to stop publishing. Because he criticized Trump. This is despicable.
He was a S.A. citizen, on S.A. soil, S.A. protection is what he was entitled too.
He was on a temporary visa here. Given his position, i seriously doubt he was paying that much in taxes, certainly not more than numerous residents will pay in their lifetime.
He deserves no more nor less protection than what any other non-citizen, not in the country, resided here on a temporary visa deserves, and that is little to none as our jurisdiction does not go beyond the borders, and sure does not include non-citizens. This guy would not even be able to have our embassy assist him, they would refer him to the Saudi embassy.
And yes, only those inside the US jurisdiction, and US citizens abroad, enjoy the protection of the US, at least what it can provide. I see no where that we are now providing protection for all 6 billion people in the world, legally we cannot as they are not even citizens.
Saudi Arabia executed almost 150 people last year, yet you are concerned over this one person? You know how many people Saudi Arabia has killed in Yemen?
There is only ONE reason the Left is trying to act like they care about this guy. He worked for their favorite Trump bashing rag. THAT'S IT!
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