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"it is the really big carbon-dumping nations who are the most critical."
China is the world's largest emitter...twice the USA....and they are increasing
Saudi Arabia is the world's largest emitter by population
And my point was: Just because others are polluting, it does not make it right for America to pollute. General rule of thumb: "Everybody else is doing it" does not count as a good ethical defense.
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If they can trick you into saying "carbon" instead of "carbon dioxide"..a gas....then no wonder you think the way you do
Really? Good grief. Do you refuse to say "Please pass the salt" at dinner because 'salt' is technically vague and could technically refer to a wide range of compounds?
So you are still dancing around the point,,, aren't you?
'And my point was: Just because others are polluting, it does not make it right for America to pollute. General rule of thumb: "Everybody else is doing it" does not count as a good ethical defense."
general rule of thump....when someone tells you something is a toxic pollutant..and you have to stop
...and that exact same someone tells you almost everyone else can still do it
...it's a s c a m
salt is salt....it's not technically anything else either
I don't trust anyone completely, but do I trust that the IPCC's scientific conclusions are fairly reasonable, given current data? Yes.
What data?
The IPCC doesn't publish any data.
Oh, I was mistaken. The IPCC publishes economic data.
Can you clarify? Because I'm not sure if IPCC "scientists" are economic gurus or climate scientists.
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Originally Posted by Gaylenwoof
Yes, we are pouring too much CO2 into the atmosphere and, if we want to avoid drastic global warming, then we need to find cleaner alternatives.
The currently reported average global temperature is 58.4°F.
The typical temperature range for seven of the last eight recorded Inter-Glacial Periods was 7.8°F to 15.3°F warmer than present.
One of the eight is a statistical outlier, since it ended abruptly after only 8,000 years for reasons scientists cannot explain. Inter-Glacial Periods have typically lasted 12,000 to 30,000 years.
Glacial Periods typically lasted about 40,000 years, with Inter-Glacials being 12,000 to 15,000 years, until the Mid-Pleistocene Transition 600,000 years ago. After that, Glacial Periods doubled and tripled in length to 80,000 to 120,000 years and Inter-Glacial Periods started lasting longer than 15,000 years for reasons scientists cannot explain.
The previous Inter-Glacial was the warmest ever. A warmer climate is not a bad thing. Inconvenient for those who live on coastal areas, but not bad. It's not my fault they were stupid enough to build cities on coasts before they had a clue how the Earth works.
In Arctic Canada, the mean summer temperature was estimated to be 4 to 5oC higher than today and had vegetation similar to modern southwest Greenland (Frechette et al., 2006); Kienast et al. (2007), produced a pollen based climate reconstruction from the East Siberian Arctic and found the mean temperature of the warmest month during the warmest interval of the Last Interglacial was around 9 to 14.5oC, compared to 2.8oC today. These reconstructions also suggest that mean annual precipitation was up to 50 mm higher than today.
Those are positive things as reported by Skeptical Science, which is the climate fanatic's bible.
Earth always become wetter as it becomes warmer. That's due to increased water vapor in the atmosphere. The higher temperatures result in a slightly higher evaporation rate, and because there's less ice, ocean levels are higher, and so have a greater surface area, which increases the amount of water evaporated, but not the rate of evaporation.
Anyway, it's perfectly normal for temperatures to increase during an Inter-Glacial Period, and there's nothing extraordinary, abnormal, unusual or unprecedented about the recent increase.
24 times in the last 100,000 years, the temperature has fluctuated 14.4°F to 20°F in mere years or decades, so a tiny 0.2°C/0.36°F rise over a century is hardly cause for alarm.
general rule of thump....when someone tells you something is a toxic pollutant..and you have to stop
...and that exact same someone tells you almost everyone else can still do it
...it's a s c a m
I doubt that you have really understood the IPCC's recommendations, but even if you are 100% correct about their statements, the bottom line does not change: Pollution is bad and we need to do whatever we can reasonably do to cut down on it. Promoting cleaner energy alternatives is a good idea for America, no matter what the rest of the world does.
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salt is salt....it's not technically anything else either
This is a silly diversion, but just for the record: there are many types of salts: "The name of a salt starts with the name of the cation (e.g., sodium or ammonium) followed by the name of the anion (e.g., chloride or acetate). Salts are often referred to only by the name of the cation (e.g., sodium salt or ammonium salt) or by the name of the anion (e.g., chloride salt or acetate salt)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(chemistry)
C-D posts tend to be rampant with loose verbiage and, yes, sometimes imprecise language can, in fact, belie ignorance on the part of the speaker, or lead to unfortunate confusion. But in the context of my post, I'm fairly certain that using the shorthand "carbon" instead of saying "carbon dioxide" was not a source of confusion for anyone (any more that "Please pass the salt" would lead to confusion at a dinner table, although it could cause confusion in certain contexts in chemistry labs).
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If someone told you don't eat that...it's deadly poisonous
...and you caught them eating it
Would you believe them?
No one knows the science better than the UN/IPCC...and that's exactly the rules they made
CO2 is deadly poisonous...and the vast majority of countries get to increase their emissions
No one would be able to increase freon, DDT, arsenic, lead, mercury,,,because they are for real
When they start acting like they believe this s c a m....I'll look at it again
In the mean time, don't tell me I have to start eating bugs to save the planet...
..and out of the other side of your mouth say it's ok for other countries to increase emissions until they make as much money as we do
That's very convincing.
Apart from the bit about CO2 being deadly poisonous, as nobody has said that. And as for the impossibility of increasing mercury emissions, that's exactly what the EPA under Trump has legalized.
So you are still dancing around the point,,, aren't you?
'And my point was: Just because others are polluting, it does not make it right for America to pollute. General rule of thumb: "Everybody else is doing it" does not count as a good ethical defense."
general rule of thump....when someone tells you something is a toxic pollutant..and you have to stop
...and that exact same someone tells you almost everyone else can still do it
...it's a s c a m
salt is salt....it's not technically anything else either
It's not a scam. But some won't believe it. Unfortunately, we're all going to pay the price whether we believe it or not.
The only "climate hysteria" is on the part of the climate deniers. The throw good science out the window because they have a deep seated fear that they won't be able to keep their 400hp V8 4-door Ultra Pickups that only get 14 mpg. It's all very childish, really.
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