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Old 10-15-2018, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The waters are getting colder due to natural Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation cycle, which will last 20-40 years. This means less intense hurricanes, and less rain. Unfortunately it will result in drought in some areas. For example Lake Okeechobee in Florida receives up to 40% less water during cool cycle compared to warmer cycle.

This year the Atlantic waters were coldest in 35 years.

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Old 10-15-2018, 05:34 AM
 
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The waters are getting colder due to natural Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation cycle, which will last 20-40 years. This means less intense hurricanes, and less rain. Unfortunately it will result in drought in some areas. For example Lake Okeechobee in Florida receives up to 40% less water during cool cycle compared to warmer cycle.

This year the Atlantic waters were coldest in 35 years.

https://theconversation.com/the-atla...-weather-42497

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Yet we have just had some of the most devastating storms in history to hit this country.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yet we have just had some of the most devastating storms in history to hit this country.
Michael was intense, but it was due to the warm waters in the Gulf. Atlantic is getting cooler, which will reduce the intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Florence was not intense, but unfortunate because it was kept in place by a weather system over the east coast. That was the only reason it dumped so much rain on the Carolinas.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 05:41 AM
 
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Michael was intense, but it was due to the warm waters in the Gulf. Atlantic is getting cooler, which will reduce the intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Florence was not intense, but unfortunate because it was kept in place by a weather system over the east coast. That was the only reason it dumped so much rain on the Carolinas.
Yes it was intense , when a river raise's 54 feet above flood stage it can be called nothing else ,it was big enough to hit three states at once .
 
Old 10-15-2018, 05:49 AM
 
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Yes it was intense , when a river raise's 54 feet above flood stage it can be called nothing else ,it was big enough to hit three states at once .
It was a rain event. Intensity of a hurricane is measured in windspeed, and Floence didn't pack much wind. If Florence had travelled through 15 mph it would not have rained so much, but like I said it was kept it place by another weather system. Same thing happened with Harvey. Such thing has nothing to do with the intensity of the storm. Even a tropical storm can do that.

Lot of storms were born only to die out in the Atlantic. That will become more common during the cooler period.

PS. I linked in NOAA, which does NOT deny climate change, but they also do not deny the cooling phases, which is now beginning to take place. Their position is what the cooler / warmer cycles tend to either exaggerate or obscure overall climate change/ global warming. It's possible much of all the talk about warming could have been due to natural Atlantic cycle.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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The recent hurricanes are not nearly the strongest in modern times. CAT 5's hit in 1935, and in 1992.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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Just more evidence the WEATHER changes for natural reasons. The location, position, and intensity of the SUN constantly changes, so therefore the weather changes. The Earth spins, therefore we have Coriolis Force that also causes weather. We have had drastic changes in climate since the formation of the Earth well before Man, and Man's industrialization.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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The recent hurricanes are not nearly the strongest in modern times. CAT 5's hit in 1935, and in 1992.
Michael was at 919 millibars of pressure, 4th lowest. This coupled with Irma last year are going to break the budget. Its not just hurricanes its the increased catastrophic moisture events as was the case in South Carolina a month ago. More severe hurricanes, more flooding, more severe fires in the west. Sandy wasn't even a hurricane when it hit but the storm surge caused billions of dollars of damage, restoration still not complete 6 years later.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Michael was at 919 millibars of pressure, 4th lowest. This coupled with Irma last year are going to break the budget. Its not just hurricanes its the increased catastrophic moisture events as was the case in South Carolina a month ago. More severe hurricanes, more flooding, more severe fires in the west. Sandy wasn't even a hurricane when it hit but the storm surge caused billions of dollars of damage, restoration still not complete 6 years later.
Irma was last year. The "moisture level" with Florence was nothing unusual, it dumped lot of rain because it stopped over an area as opposed to moving through (as they usually do).

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Old 10-15-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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Yet we have just had some of the most devastating storms in history to hit this country.
Might that have to do with the fact that there are more people living in areas prone to hurricanes?

More people & property equals more devastation. All that development took away the natural defenses like wetlands and replaced them with housing developments aka targets.

I reside in Maryland outside DC. We have increasing problems with flash floods. Why? Easy. There were 579,000 people here in 1980. As of 2010, we have 971,000.

More people with more residences and less woods and marshes. No place for the water to go.

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