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No. There is no burden of proof on the accuser. That is a criminal law precept. This is the testimony of two individuals neither of which are governmental agents. The principle does not exist in such a hearing.
And the Republicans where even worse on believing the politically desirable outcome.
Which again points out no one went for truth.
I agree 'innocent until proven guilty' is a legal concept. For example, if the coach of a child's traveling sports team is accused of molestation by former players, I'd have zip against any parent who took their child off the team. I could give dozens of examples in non-legal settings when waiting for a criminal verdict or proof beyond a reasonable doubt is absurd.
otoh, your claim that R's were worse than D's and nobody wanted the truth is wrong.
It seems some in the Democrat Party, and Media do want to circumvent the concept of innocent until proven guilty. This is akin to what Police States like the former East Germany, and Soviet Union did. It would be a huge step back in freedom, and liberty. Two things taken for granted by many today. Our freedoms are lessening due to our PC culture. It is time to push back.
No conservative should want Kavanaugh based on his disrespect for the constitution and involvement in the Patriot act.
Given the alternatives, there's no question whatsoever that he should have been nominated and approved just as he was. Kavanaugh is by far the best option we had, Trump will get another pick and another chance to make up for it.
No conservative should want Kavanaugh based on his disrespect for the constitution and involvement in the Patriot act.
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Agreed. And because he lied during his confirmation hearing.
And I’m not even referring to the Ford accusation itself.
I would not even try to dispute either of these. But both are really off topic. Clearly the overwhelming reason for the 48 votes against Kav. was that Dem Senators believed Ford over Kav. See the tweet by Sen Patty Murray.
And in doing so, these senators threw overboard 'innocent until proven guilty,' which, per the current poll results, is supported by over 97%. (100% of conservatives+independents).
I would not even try to dispute either of these. But both are really off topic. Clearly the overwhelming reason for the 48 votes against Kav. was that Dem Senators believed Ford over Kav. See the tweet by Sen Patty Murray.
And in doing so, these senators threw overboard 'innocent until proven guilty,' which, per the current poll results, is supported by over 97%. (100% of conservatives+independents).
Nope. No one was paying any attention to the Ford incident. All went to pragmatic politics.
Has nothing to do with "innocent until proven guilty" which had no bearing on this affair any way. That is a criminal principle not a legal one. In this case "preponderance of the evidence" would have been a more appropriate standard but the Senators did not use that either.
Nope. No one was paying any attention to the Ford incident. All went to pragmatic politics.
Has nothing to do with "innocent until proven guilty" which had no bearing on this affair any way. That is a criminal principle not a legal one....
Yep. The poll results would indicate that 97.3% disagree with you. I even specifically offered the option of limiting 'innocent until proven guilty' to criminal trials. Not ONE person voted that way.
Yep. The poll results would indicate that 97.3% disagree with you. I even specifically offered the option of limiting 'innocent until proven guilty' to criminal trials. Not ONE person voted that way.
My union CBA disagrees with you, too.
Nope that simply shows that most thinking people do not respond to absurd polls that are factually inaccurate.
You folks do not even understand what the present principle is so how on earth would you know you want to keep it.
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