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California is a huge state, much of it unoccupied or sparsely so. The Sierra Nevadas are beautiful, huge areas of desert are unoccupied. No reason that these locales can't be built on. Not everyone is entitled to live in some of the most expensive cities in the nation just because they want to.
What are you talking about? Everyone should be entitled to low income housing in Malibu or Beverly Hills.
There are 7000 illegals walking to the borders today supported by Progressive Democrats. Everyone of them that make it to the border should be put on a Bus to Las Angeles.
Well this is just getting rid of various restrictions on buildings. Not asking to gov to supply us.
You mean loosening government regulation that is stifling the markets ability to provide housing?
Most of the issue is going to come down to either NIMBY or government regulation, but you live in California so you've chosen to accept lots of government regulation to provide progress for your state.
When I was about 20, I had my "light bulb" moment when learning how in US history businesses and other interest groups actually used the guise of government regulations to "protect people" to in fact harm competitors, help them enforce a limited monopoly etc.
For example, the 2012 "Moving forward for Progress in the 21st Century" transportation bill.
I mean who doesn't like progress?
Tucked into it, they let pension plans put less money into their plans to secure them.
There are 7000 illegals walking to the borders today supported by Progressive Democrats. Everyone of them that make it to the border should be put on a Bus to Las Angeles.
How are they illegals? What do you think progressive Democrats support exactly. Why would these refugees be sent to LA? There is a process. Why are you against processes? Why do you want to live in a free for all society? Why do you think people are risking their lives to come to the USA? What is your solution? Maybe it is to make the USA an undesirable place.
The evil immigrants are at it again! Out to destroy the white man!
A thread about housing in California somehow evolves into an immigration thread, some of these folks are one trick ponies everything centers around undocumented immigrants. There are some many damn threads about immigration can't one be focused on housing?
Not only will more homes be built... the focus should be inclusive of developing a very good rail system, that spans LA County, Connects Southern California with the SFO Area.
Maybe even pick an area and build a "type of community to help people "re-enter" the functional living conditions standards. It also needs large complexes to deal withe the high volume of mental illness. (Not only in California, but in "many states".... Training Programs, Medical Care, and a Farming Plot where the people there can contribute to growing the foods they need to maintain the complex. Strict Rules to avert calamity, it may need to separate the mentally ill from the economically destitute.
(That's an Ideal Concept) Reality Is: ... many in the homeless network have developed their own type of community groups and not all will accept such a program. many people in varying degree's of mental illness will not participate, and it would take a very large complex to deal with the many "factions of categories of mental illness". it would be a huge challenge to create units grouping to deal with such.
Question: What type of Industrial Growth is needed to address the growing numbers in California?
It might be time for American cities of large size to learn what it can from the world.
What is the challenge to the water system? the sewer system? and the garbage management systems? This has to be an expanding concern with growth and development. If there is some crisis that impacts food supply, what are the options to develop means for people to find, purchase and have food?
More asphalt, more concrete and more structure, also have climate related concerns? America is not the first to face these types of Challenges, and we only have 300+ Million people.... Places with 400-600 and 1 Billion people continually deal with these variable.
"Time" may find people migrating from parts of California, and many in the Major Metro's moving to areas of the state that have fertile lands and room for growth and a good water supply.
Traffic has already overwhelmed the Freeway System, it is nothing like it was in the 1970's, or even the 1990's, it has become a tremendous challenge. Some areas have no room to expand outwards, and double decking is a cost factor that may not be a likely option.
People who have land in the South, the Mid West and various other regions people may need to get ready to accept cultural, social and living style changes in many places 'across the nation"... because people with ideas will come, and ideas bring growth, development and innovations as well as social and cultural integration changes. Fighting it is futile... because "the people are American's as well".
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Nobody wants to live in some overpopulated dirty crap hole though. We don't want to be China. Its bad enough we got all these Chinese here as it is.
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A thread about housing in California somehow evolves into an immigration thread, some of these folks are one trick ponies everything centers around undocumented immigrants. There are some many damn threads about immigration can't one be focused on housing?
That's because the housing problem being discussed is a direct result of immigration, notably illegal immigration.
The "root cause" of housing issues is immigration and nothing else.
@Phamptopilot That's just not true the bulk of undocumented immigrants that live in places like LA live in undesirable housing that middle class/upper middle class Californians wouldn't live in. In other parts of the state the bulk lives in undesirable urban centers or rural homes that are usually not in good shape. There are exceptions of course some are completely blended into middle class neighborhoods. Large parts of LA are just not desirable for people that like to live comfortably anyway. The lower middle class just can't afford to buy in desirable neighborhoods any longer that is the root cause of the problem.
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