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You know we used to be British citizens. So what if King George went to the colonists and said "If you don't like the British Empire, leave! And wander the Earth friendless and alone. Herr Derr."
How would Thomas Jefferson reply?
Do you know what you sound like to people with a brain?
There is nothing virtuous about a worship of the state. I'm the patriot, not you. You sound like a rather evil person, and Thomas Jefferson would hate you.
No I'm not. You are doing that if anyone is against nationalist and white America, human nature and the truth.
No, dear. I'm not making sweeping generalizations about nationalists. I'm using the definition of nationalism. That's a definition that anyone calling themselves a nationalist should be familiar with.
And I'm making zero sweeping generalizations about "white" America. In fact, if you read and comprehended my posts, I'm the one pointing out how diverse America is. "White" America is amazingly diverse. Or are you under the weird perception that Irish Americans and Italian Americans and German Americans are all identical, and only the color of the skin indicates differences?
You're the only one who believes in a fairy tale, as you believe in the State.
Don't be too harsh on him. He might believe the state is a necessary evil, but that doesn't mean he celebrates it.
If you can't escape the state, all there is left to do is try to control it.
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"SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense
"Without his consent having even been asked a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practice this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further, that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he use the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two. In self-defense, he attempts the former.
His case is analogous to that of a man who has been forced into battle, where he must either kill others, or be killed himself. Because, to save his own life in battle, a man takes the lives of his opponents, it is not to be inferred that the battle is one of his own choosing. Neither in contests with the ballot – which is a mere substitute for a bullet – because, as his only chance of self-preservation, a man uses a ballot, is it to be inferred that the contest is one into which he voluntarily entered; that he voluntarily set up all his own natural rights, as a stake against those of others, to be lost or won by the mere power of numbers. On the contrary, it is to be considered that, in an exigency into which he had been forced by others, and in which no other means of self-defense offered, he, as a matter of necessity, used the only one that was left to him." - Lysander Spooner, No Treason, 1868
Don't be too harsh on him. He might believe the state is a necessary evil, but that doesn't mean he celebrates it.
If you can't escape the state, all there is left to do is try to control it.
Love Spooner.
I like this one, too:
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“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
Indeed he is scum. I'm not surprised to hear that he was abusive.
Anyone who defends him and his ilk are pretty much the same as him and his ilk.
I don't care about Spencer much but you should stop the name calling. It doesn't make you convincing, just the opposite and is bigotry. I don't see anything that makes you better than the people you name call or anyone else.
You know we used to be British citizens. So what if King George went to the colonists and said "If you don't like the British Empire, leave! And wander the Earth friendless and alone. Herr Derr."
How would Thomas Jefferson reply?
Do you know what you sound like to people with a brain?
There is nothing virtuous about a worship of the state. I'm the patriot, not you. You sound like a rather evil person, and Thomas Jefferson would hate you.
What in the hell has that got to do with anything? BTW Brits weren't citizens, they were SUBJECTS....that's why there was a war of revolution - to exercise the right to of political self-determination.
Nationalism is not "worship of the State". A nation is more than just the government or a bureaucracy.
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Indeed he is scum. I'm not surprised to hear that he was abusive.
Anyone who defends him and his ilk are pretty much the same as him and his ilk.
You don't know anything about him except what you've read in left-wing newspapers. So you have a bias against him because he has different opinions than you do, and from that, conclude he is scum.
The rest of your post is just more pathetic attempts at bullying and name-calling. Not really worth a response.
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