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I don't think we disagree that much, but I think you are applying the personal preference and compatibility to others and not considering group's preference and compatibility to other groups.
No matter how you slice and dice it Europeans are more similar and compatible with each other at the group level than they are with non-Europeans. And also same thing for Africans and non-Africans.
Those prove nothing except for yes, AIMs exist, and they are basically the genetic clusters of the white RACE.
Europeans, specifically are all closely related.
They are all genetically closer to each other than to other races. That's called "genetic distance" which is partly a function of both time and physical distance.
I don't think we disagree that much, but I think you are applying the personal preference and compatibility to others and not considering group's preference and compatibility to other groups.
No matter how you slice and dice it Europeans are more similar and compatible with each other at the group level than they are with non-Europeans. And also same thing for Africans and non-Africans.
My overarching point is this. The same arguments for the "incompatibility" between whites and blacks, apply between Irish and Germans as well.
If you imagine getting as close to utopia as possible, you are correct in that, multiculturalism/multiracialism will not get you there, in fact, multiculturalism takes you far closer to hell on Earth than to utopia.
My argument is that, while ethnonationalism is an improvement over the chaos that comes from multiracialism and multiculturalism. The ideal utopia is not formed by bringing every tribe of Europe under a single banner. But by leaving them alone.
Or put simply, people associating naturally and voluntarily is good. People associating by force is bad.
My overarching point is this. The same arguments for the "incompatibility" between whites and blacks, apply between Irish and Germans as well.
If you imagine getting as close to utopia as possible, you are correct in that, multiculturalism/multiracialism will not get you there, in fact, multiculturalism takes you far closer to hell on Earth than to utopia.
My argument is that, while ethnonationalism is an improvement over the chaos that comes from multiracialism and multiculturalism. The ideal utopia is not formed by bringing every tribe of Europe under a single banner. But by leaving them alone.
Or put simply, people associating naturally and voluntarily is good. People associating by force is bad.
But see I don't think incompatibility issues applies as much to those two identities than to others. Americans of Irish and those of German descent overall assimilate and get along well and much better than they do with other non-European groups black, Asian, Hispanic, middle eastern etc. Often you cannot even tell an assimilated person of Irish and one of German descent apart.
Those prove nothing except for yes, AIMs exist, and they are basically the genetic clusters of the white RACE.
Europeans, specifically are all closely related.
They are all genetically closer to each other than to other races. That's called "genetic distance" which is partly a function of both time and physical distance.
Except genetics indict that Europeans are not closely related at all. Actually quite the opposite.
Take this graph:
Austrians have more genetic similarities with Turks and Armenians then they do with Irish, Latvians and Finns. The Later along with Austrians would all be considered white while the Turks and Armenians wouldn't. Please explain? Cause your notion of what is white is total nonsense and isn't backed by any science.
Except genetics indict that Europeans are not closely related at all. Actually quite the opposite.
Take this graph:
Austrians have more genetic similarities with Turks and Armenians then they do with Irish, Latvians and Finns. The Later along with Austrians would all be considered white while the Turks and Armenians wouldn't. Please explain? Cause your notion of what is white is total nonsense and isn't backed by any science.
That's false. Your erroneous claim is probably due to a lack of understanding and knowledge about not just genetics, but also European history. The map illustrates no such thing as your false claim that Europeans are not closely related... merely that Turks are genetically distant to most of Europe, especially the Western portion, but more closely related to peoples of Central-eastern Europe , in this example, Austrians. And there is a very good reason why that is the case, and its fully explained by the historical record.
Europeans ARE in fact closely related to each other, but the concept of genetic distance (a function of time and physical distance) still applies to them. Just because there is more distance between two distant groups than between two groups in proximity, doesn't mean that on the whole Europeans are not all closely related to EACH OTHER. That is a non-sequitur. And the map doesn't show that Europeans are not all closely related to each other. It only shows the relative distances as given by the Y-DNA haplogroups between modern people living in Austria and in the other nations of Europe. Bear in mind that the modern genetic map of Europe represents a LOT of constant migration over a period of several generations.
Remember too that geographic isolation, like that experienced by island dwellers such as the Irish, is more pronounced and has a considerably greater effect on heterogeneity than for populations that live in close proximity and with high availability to other groups. But this still means that migrations can lead to an unusually high prevalence of that groups genetic material in the new location.
For example, Turkey and Armenia are both populations that had close proximity to other groups and high mobility, as they were located along mercantile routes to both Asia and Central-Eastern-Southern Europe (the Great Silk Road passes directly through both).
So the reason for a relatively higher degree of consanguinity to Austria than to Ireland is simple: its got three discrete sources of skew vs none compared to Ireland: Two early skews, due to the mercantile traffic along the medieval trade routes to Austria, which was the commercial center of Europe, AND the several sieges of Austria by Turkish armies which we will consider as one single source; then there is a more modern skew produced by the four generations of a Turkish diaspora living in Austria (and now the second largest ethnic group in Austria), which began in the 1960s under an EC guest worker program.
As for your OTHER claims or questions, about whiteness, that's not really a question of racial identity, but of ethnicity. Turkey is a very mixed country...with a LOT of European admixture (due to its geography and the long history of migrations and admixture.) There are Turks that identify as white and others that don't...its that simple.
But see I don't think incompatibility issues applies as much to those two identities than to others. Americans of Irish and those of German descent overall assimilate and get along well and much better than they do with other non-European groups black, Asian, Hispanic, middle eastern etc. Often you cannot even tell an assimilated person of Irish and one of German descent apart.
I agree that it doesn't apply as much. And I agree that the difference is mostly pretty minor, so it doesn't cause nearly as many problems, and that most White-Americans are effectively already genetically-assimilated anyway(I'm Irish, German, French, Scottish, and English).
But the "ideal" isn't "white", but rather "the same". So "White" is more a compromise than an ideal.
It isn't, "What do I want?", it is "What can I live with?"
But more-importantly, I don't think you and Phantom have really thought it through. In order to achieve "White-Nationalism", it would require a revolution, if not a full-blown Civil War. It won't be done democratically(IE you're not going to just vote for it), and it would lead to millions of deaths, because America is too "integrated".
No one would ever agree on how to split the country up. And you're not going to force a hundred million people to leave their homes to move across the country.
But most-importantly, "the money" has no interest in White-Nationalism. And the money controls this country, and always has. So as long as America continues to exist, the country will become more and more and more integrated. In a few more decades, white people will be a minority, and any hopes of separation will have vanished.
What you and Phantom need to realize, is that if there is any hope at ending this madness of multiculturalism, you aren't going to achieve it by demanding a white ethnostate. It will NEVER happen.
Instead of believing you can attain your ethnostate by force. Imagine if you took force away. What would people do if they woke up tomorrow and there was no government at all? Where would you go?
The Roman Empire was a multiracial state that spanned multiple continents. Rome brought people together from across the known world with trade. But what happened after Rome collapsed?
This is the great conundrum for white-nationalists. They imagine themselves as the superior race, and the creators of civilization, and thus the defenders of civilization. So they are unwilling to destroy it, even if that is the only way to save themselves.
"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." - Proverbs 16:18
What you have created is destroying you, and the whole world for that matter. Though it wasn't actually created by white people, it was created by Jews.
This is the great conundrum for white-nationalists. They imagine themselves as the superior race, and the creators of civilization, and thus the defenders of civilization. So they are unwilling to destroy it, even if that is the only way to save themselves.
They think they are the creators and defenders of civilization mostly do to sheer ignorance, lack of historical knowledge and general stupidity. Civilization was created by non-whites and existed for millennium before it ever reached Europe. While Europe and the "West" (whatever that even means) has given the world much in terms of art, technology and science. It is also responsible for the worst atrocities ever committed in world history. The Holocaust, WW2, WW1, the Atom Bomb, the Atlantic Slave Trade, Colonialism, the rise and spread of Communism, etc, etc. All of these events happened when the West was a whites only place. Hard to really blame all of humanities ills on integration when white people left to their own devices have absolutely butchered each other and spread ill will the world over.
They think they are the creators and defenders of civilization mostly do to sheer ignorance, lack of historical knowledge and general stupidity. Civilization was created by non-whites and existed for millennium before it ever reached Europe. While Europe and the "West" (whatever that even means) has given the world much in terms of art, technology and science. It is also responsible for the worst atrocities ever committed in world history. The Holocaust, WW2, WW1, the Atom Bomb, the Atlantic Slave Trade, Colonialism, the rise and spread of Communism, etc, etc. All of these events happened when the West was a whites only place. Hard to really blame all of humanities ills on integration when white people left to their own devices have absolutely butchered each other and spread ill will the world over.
"It is, of course, possible to make out a case for the success achieved in peopling continents which before had been empty. The United States and Australia afford good examples. Success, certainly— but only on the material side. They are artificial edifices, bodies without age, of which it is impossible to say whether they are still in a state of infancy or whether they have already been touched by senility. In those continents which were inhabited, failure has been even more marked. In them, the white races have imposed their will by force, and the influence they have had on the native inhabitants has been negligible; the Hindus have remained Hindus, the Chinese have remained Chinese, and the Moslems are still Moslems. There have been no profound transformations, and such changes as have occurred are less marked in the religious field, notwithstanding the tremendous efforts of the Christian missionaries, than in any other. There have been a few odd conversions the sincerity of which are open to considerable doubt— except, perhaps, in the case of a few simpletons and mentally deficients. The white races did, of course, give some things to the natives, and they were the worst gifts that they could possibly have made, those plagues of our own modern world— materialism, fanaticism, alcoholism and syphilis. For the rest, since these peoples possessed qualities of their own which were superior to anything we could offer them, they have remained essentially unchanged. Where imposition by force was attempted, the results were even more disastrous, and common sense, realizing the futility of such measures, should preclude any recourse to their introduction. One solitary success must be conceded to the colonizers : everywhere they have succeeded in arousing hatred, a hatred that urges these peoples, awakened from their slumbers by us, to rise and drive us out. Indeed, it looks almost as though they had awakened solely and simply for that purpose!" - Adolf Hitler
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