Humanities majors moving to Ukraine and Jungles in India to escape student loan (extremist, school)

[Pilot1]

Instead of moving to a third world countries, there are better options in the U.S.

Get training in something where you can be employed.

Join the military, learn other skills, plus they will give you money for advanced degrees.

Grad school. Get an MBA, or something that teaches real world skills employers want. Yes, I know, more debt, but I did mine at night while I worked full time. I paid as I went. NO DEBT.

[what'd i miss]

Originally Posted by MJJersey

Philosophy and communications majors are fleeing the US to escape their loans because they can't find jobs:


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/26/he-m...ot-alone-.html

"The philosophy major concedes that his student loan balance of around $20,000" He couldn't find a job and moved to India.
"Some toilets here are holes in the ground you squat over," Haag said. Recently, he ate spoiled goat meat at a local restaurant and landed in the emergency room.

Another guy, communications major, couldn't find a job so he moved to China then the Ukraine. "There was anger," Albright said. "I couldn't believe I couldn't find a job in America."

The article says that about half of borrowers have not paid one dollar in interest on the debt.

This is partly the fault of people who pick majors that are hard to market and partly the fault of the government for writing blank checks to universities using taxpayer money. I would not mind if these people ran away except that they owe the government money and now the rest of us will need to pay for them.

We can always check the pockets of our own swindlers here in public office. Start with Manfort Money Laundering Service. Like The US will ever collect those billions in fed tax never paid .

[Listener2307]

The philosophy student evidently learned nothing from his failure to find employment:

He then went back to school to pursue a master's degree in comparative literature at the University of Colorado Boulder.

He would have been better off going to welding school.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by MJJersey

Philosophy and communications majors are fleeing the US to escape their loans because they can't find jobs

They can find jobs, they just haven't looked hard enough, and probably because their resumes are so poorly written, nobody wants them.

The only reason to get a BA in Philosophy is so you can get an MA in Philosophy. And the only reason to get an MA in Philosophy is to get a PhD in Philosophy. If you have a PhD in Philosophy, there are only two things you can do, teach as a professor at a university or write books waxing poetic on philosophy.

The 3% of US businesses that are publicly-traded corporations do not have staff philosophers, and neither do the 97% of US businesses that are not publicly-traded corporations.

That is nothing new, since it has been that way since time immemorial.

I'm not sure what the stupid idiot expected.

Many businesses only require that you have a BS or BA, and the field is not necessarily relevant.

For example, when I was a member of the American Society for Industrial Security, I was surprised to find that many corporate security directors did not have degrees in law enforcement, or any background or experience in law enforcement or the legal field.

The corporate security directory for major bank had a BA in English, and the security director for a hospital had a degree in accounting, and I can go on and on about that.

So, he can get a job, if he doesn't not pigeon-hole himself and limit his options.

The 3% of US businesses that are publicly-traded corporations and many of the 97% of businesses who are not do hire communications directors.

Many non-profit organizations have communications directors as well.

There are corporate and private public relations firms that require communications majors.

Only a handful of universities offer degrees in journalism. The majority of journalists are communications majors, not journalism majors. The journalism field is wide open.

And, of course, thousands of other jobs that simply require a degree a available, too.

Very obviously, the author cherry-picked two turds to highlight for their article. Too bad the so-called communications major didn't write the article himself, because at least he'd have something to add to his curriculum vitae.

Originally Posted by MJJersey

"The philosophy major concedes that his student loan balance of around $20,000" He couldn't find a job and moved to India.

"Some toilets here are holes in the ground you squat over," Haag said. Recently, he ate spoiled goat meat at a local restaurant and landed in the emergency room.

And in the former East Bloc like Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Hungaria and Serbia, you'll still find toilet holes, too. What of it?

Originally Posted by MJJersey

Another guy, communications major, couldn't find a job so he moved to China then the Ukraine. "There was anger," Albright said. "I couldn't believe I couldn't find a job in America."

He didn't try very hard. Like I said, if he was as competent as he thinks he is, he should have written the article himself, so double dumb ass on him.

Originally Posted by MJJersey

The article says that about half of borrowers have not paid one dollar in interest on the debt.

As soon as it goes into default, the government will be docking their income tax refunds.

Yes, you either pay income taxes to the host-State or you pay them to the IRS, and if the tax rate is less, you still have to pay the IRS.

Note that if those idiots aren't paying taxes to the IRS, they aren't paying taxes to Social Security, either, so they are not getting work credits to qualify for Social Security benefits, so double dumb ass on them for being stupid.

Originally Posted by chiociolliscalves

Departments in these areas now house specialists, rather than generalists,...

That has always been the case since time immemorial. High school is very generalized. BA/BS curriculum is less generalized. MA/MS curriculum starts to get specialized, and doctoral research is very specialized.

No one could ever possibly know everything about everything, which is why specialization is important, and why your doctors and lawyers specialize in their fields.

For your doctor to know everything, s/he would have to read every medical journal, every medical article and every medical report that is published.

And, if your doctor did that, s/he would be spending 120 hours a week doing nothing but reading, with ZERO hours available to actually practice medicine.

Originally Posted by EastwardBound

Perhaps universities should stop spending billions on new student centers, apartments that are nicer than most homes and non-essential staff.

Perhaps students should stop demanding those services, then the universities wouldn't need to spend the money.

In 1980, IT Services cost $0. In 2017, the University of Cincinnati spent $116 Million on IT Services. With an enrollment of 25,000, that comes to $4,460 per student and with annual tuition at $9,800 that means students are spending $4,460 out of $9,800 on IT Services the students both demand and expect to have, or they will go to another university that has those services.

[PuppiesandKittens]

Originally Posted by chiociolliscalves

We are a dying culture. Americans know nothing of their own history, their own culture, nor the history and culture of other places. You're not really an American if you know nothing of your own country's history and culture.

Thanks for enlightening the rest of us.

[chiociolliscalves]

Originally Posted by andywire

You said "Americans know nothing of their own history, their own culture, nor the history and culture of other places."

This is only true of some, and likely not the majority. Most Americans have at least a basic idea of their history and cultural.

Surveys of adults, along with the testimony of every college history prof you can find, say otherwise.

[TristramShandy]

My English degree got me living five blocks from the beach in Pacific Beach, San Diego.

Not quite the Ukraine or Indian jungles.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by chiociolliscalves

We are a dying culture. Americans know nothing of their own history, their own culture, nor the history and culture of other places. You're not really an American if you know nothing of your own country's history and culture.

America is a diseased society that doesn't value people, knowledge, or culture, but rather only money. People who are good at screwing people over for money are held in high regard.

[zortation]

Originally Posted by MJJersey

"The philosophy major concedes that his student loan balance of around $20,000" He couldn't find a job and moved to India.

Well there's your problem right there...

[ChrisC]

Solution: a greater number of trade schools and fewer universities.

If he were a welder, he'd have employers seeking him rather than him seeking non-existent philosophy employers.