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Old 10-27-2018, 08:01 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Philosophy and communications majors are fleeing the US to escape their loans because they can't find jobs:


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/26/he-m...ot-alone-.html

"The philosophy major concedes that his student loan balance of around $20,000" He couldn't find a job and moved to India.
"Some toilets here are holes in the ground you squat over," Haag said. Recently, he ate spoiled goat meat at a local restaurant and landed in the emergency room.

Another guy, communications major, couldn't find a job so he moved to China then the Ukraine. "There was anger," Albright said. "I couldn't believe I couldn't find a job in America."

The article says that about half of borrowers have not paid one dollar in interest on the debt.

This is partly the fault of people who pick majors that are hard to market and partly the fault of the government for writing blank checks to universities using taxpayer money. I would not mind if these people ran away except that they owe the government money and now the rest of us will need to pay for them.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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Strange that, historically speaking, philosophers have been pretty important and influential members of society. (for the most part anyway).
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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Strange that, historically speaking, philosophers have been pretty important and influential members of society. (for the most part anyway).
We are a dying culture. Americans know nothing of their own history, their own culture, nor the history and culture of other places. You're not really an American if you know nothing of your own country's history and culture.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Strange that, historically speaking, philosophers have been pretty important and influential members of society. (for the most part anyway).

You don't become a philosopher by graduating college. Historically relevant philosophers gained recognition after acquiring wisdom and life experience. Perhaps these fleeing graduates will acquire some of that wisdom and life experience in their travels through the third world.


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We are a dying culture. Americans know nothing of their own history, their own culture, nor the history and culture of other places. You're not really an American if you know nothing of your own country's history and culture.

Speak for yourself, but don't include all Americans in your put down. There are deadbeats and losers in every country.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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Philosophy and communications majors are fleeing the US to escape their loans because they can't find jobs:


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/26/he-m...ot-alone-.html

"The philosophy major concedes that his student loan balance of around $20,000" He couldn't find a job and moved to India.
"Some toilets here are holes in the ground you squat over," Haag said. Recently, he ate spoiled goat meat at a local restaurant and landed in the emergency room.

Another guy, communications major, couldn't find a job so he moved to China then the Ukraine. "There was anger," Albright said. "I couldn't believe I couldn't find a job in America."

The article says that about half of borrowers have not paid one dollar in interest on the debt.

This is partly the fault of people who pick majors that are hard to market and partly the fault of the government for writing blank checks to universities using taxpayer money. I would not mind if these people ran away except that they owe the government money and now the rest of us will need to pay for them.
I've been working on a master's degree in history. The humanities and social sciences have marginalized themselves, as well, by increasingly focusing "scholarship" on arcane analyses of the past about which no one cares and by using research to advance ideological/political goals. Departments in these areas now house specialists, rather than generalists, and they specialize in things that are particularly useless and uninteresting to the general population. Basically, they produce scholarship that only interests a tiny contingent of academics who live in the same small cocoon.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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First, neither of those guys loans are insurmountable. The girl’s loan total wasn’t given but she appears to be deeper in debt. Second, they do allow you to make payments based on income. Three, all three examples given had other alternatives, including living with parents.

This is not to say recent student loan practices are not problematic. Colleges can only charge what the market can bear and student loans increased the amount of money college students access to in order to pay higher charges. Secondly, student loans hide the real cost from the students themselves, along with allowing them to enjoy a lifestyle they will not be able to afford afterwards. Look at some of the college dorms these days, for pity sake.

However, ultimately this is all a result of the “everybody needs to go to college” push. These students feel they were promised something that never materialized. That push has decreased the value of a college diploma while pushing up the cost of obtaining one. These people were probably not the type of people who went to college back when I did. The college degree used to be associated with a higher income not because the person had that piece of paper but because they were the type of person who got that piece of paper.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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A philosophy degree can probably best be used to get a job pumping gas. LOL

The answer lies in the middle on this issue.
Some bad decisions by the students.
Bad choices of majors
However the schools are not preparing their students for life after college
The government is subsidizing way too many people to go to school.
No easy answers on this problem other than stay out of debt!
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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In today's world, we have created fancy labels for degrees in ignorance: "liberal arts", "philosophy", "women's studies"..... They are the educational equivalents of Participation Trophies.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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The student loan crisis in America should be required learning in college and an academic requirement in order to graduate. My employer and Uncle Sam paid for mine, so there are alternatives, I didn’t have the money to be a full time student on borrowed debt but I found a way to get a degree in an academic field that translates into employment opportunities. People need to do better planning but these are teenagers, after all, and not all of them think ahead.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Perhaps universities should stop spending billions on new student centers, apartments that are nicer than most homes and non-essential staff. Ten million for the 'student activities' department? Sure!
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