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It's not terribly surprising. When the Right was enthusiastically in favor of censorship in the 80's and 90's, the Left was hugely in favor of Free Speech. But politics is a team sport. When suppression of human rights and abusing people seems to be working in their favor, they're all for it.
It is quite interesting how quickly people tend to abandon their supposed principals when partisan politics enters the equation. This is why I'm always saying, partisan politics makes you stupid. Somebody else told them what to think and let any core principals be damned. Happens on both sides and it's disgusting.
can you elaborate on what you're referring to here?
Porn, sex ed, the Satanic panic, Ozzy Osbourne will turn your child into a baby murdering devil worshipper who will undoubtedly commit suicide to offer themselves to Satan. That kind of thing. Huge swaths of the Right wanted anything not Biblically moral to be silenced. To this day, my father thinks Dungeons and Dragons -- which I happened to have played -- makes kids devil worshippers.
Porn, sex ed, the Satanic panic, Ozzy Osbourne will turn your child into a baby murdering devil worshipper who will undoubtedly commit suicide to offer themselves to Satan. That kind of thing. Huge swaths of the Right wanted anything not Biblically moral to be silenced. To this day, my father thinks Dungeons and Dragons -- which I happened to have played -- makes kids devil worshippers.
I don't know if I'd call it a huge swath of the right, certainly nothing like the left controlling the entire internet, corporations and media and banning, censoring and firing.
I don't know if I'd call it a huge swath of the right, certainly nothing like the left controlling the entire internet, corporations and media and banning, censoring and firing.
I think it was a majority, but that hardly matters how widespread it was. The point is, we as human beings tend to be fine with censorship when it advances causes we believe are good. Both sides are quite capable of censorship and it's because of that one glaring blind-spot. This tends to extend to violence and the like, which we're also seeing.
Responding to the first part, the problem is that it's not just one company. It's all the companies controlling the Internet. Web hosts. Google controls an insane amount of the Internet. So does Microsoft. Apple and Google can kick you out of their App Store if they don't like you.
So how do you feel about all of them combining efforts to destroy a person or entity that they politically disagree with, but which has committed no crime?
If a credit card company refuses to do business with black people, is that wrong? What about Muslims? Can Mastercard ban all Jews from getting a Mastercard? What if Visa refuses to issue cards to all Democrats? At what point do you begin breaking the law by discriminating?
You would have to discriminate against members of a group. People on Gab are not a group. I think you know this but here we go, not all white people are white supremacist, practically all white supremacist are white, if i target white supremacists as a hate group they are most likely all going to be white but it does not mean I am targeting white people.
I think it was a majority, but that hardly matters how widespread it was. The point is, we as human beings tend to be fine with censorship when it advances causes we believe are good. Both sides are quite capable of censorship and it's because of that one glaring blind-spot. This tends to extend to violence and the like, which we're also seeing.
But it does matter how widespread and how much effective censorship happens.
I think it was two different things with different motives. The question of what kind of media should youth be exposed to vs can we even have our own autonomous and free country.
You would have to discriminate against members of a group. People on Gab are not a group. I think you know this but here we go, not all white people are white supremacist, practically all white supremacist are white, if i target white supremacists as a hate group they are most likely all going to be white but it does not mean I am targeting white people.
What do you assume that people on Gab are exactly? Maybe we should start there.
You see, back in the Middle Ages, there were rumors about Jews doing some blood sacrifice of their children, hoarding gold and secretly trying to poison or otherwise kill all non-Jews. None of this was true of course, but people were absolutely certain it was 100% true for centuries. Slander is an incredibly effective tool. People tend to believe rumors when that's all that they've heard.
So what preconceived notions do you have about Gab.ai?
But it does matter how widespread and how much effective censorship happens.
I think it was two different things with different motives. The question of what kind of media should youth be exposed to vs can we even have our own autonomous and free country.
I disagree. Censorship is always bad. Always. Bad ideas will always exist. By shutting people up, you just send people with bad ideas into echo chambers where everyone buys into the bad ideas. The Right was guilty of censorship. Let's hope they've gotten over that. The Left is now fully advocating censorship, but they refuse to believe that's what they're actually advocating for.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Left started excusing full-on lynch mobs by saying, "Well I thought you Republicans were all about free markets!"
People tend to lose sight of their core principals -- if they ever really had any -- when they're hopelessly partisan. When the Republicans find their way around to advocating for censorship again, will you oppose it? I sure as hell will!
What do you assume that people on Gab are exactly? Maybe we should start there.
You see, back in the Middle Ages, there were rumors about Jews doing some blood sacrifice of their children, hoarding gold and secretly trying to poison or otherwise kill all non-Jews. None of this was true of course, but people were absolutely certain it was 100% true for centuries. Slander is an incredibly effective tool. People tend to believe rumors when that's all that they've heard.
So what preconceived notions do you have about Gab.ai?
None, other than they are not a monolithic group. You cant equate discriminating against people on GAB and Black People.
None, other than they are not a monolithic group. You cant equate discriminating against people on GAB and Black People.
Okay fine, we'll try it again.
What if everyone who was born in Seattle Washington is automatically denied the right to ever own a Credit Card, ever open a PayPal account, access the Internet or own a smartphone? Seems perfectly reasonable, since the people denying them these things are private business! Nobody has the right to tell a private business that it can't discriminate against them! Do you agree?
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