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We don't really know how it started, don't have the white lady's version of events. And the fact the black person videoed it, was clearly antagonizing, and went on to post the video makes it all very suspicious.
LOL, so you are blaming this on the black sisters? If you are a minority and some white person starts yelling at you, wouldn't you press the Record button on your phone also?
mtl1, stop being ashamed that you're white and this happened and start to fix the problem. Until you do, you are part of the problem and it will only get worse.
We still don't really know why or how it started. And the black people were antagonistic and unfriendly from the get go. This seems like a set up.
It's obvious from watching the video. The white woman didn't want the black sisters in her apartment complex. She kept telling them to go away, that they didn't belong. Taunting them about hair weaves and baby daddies. Nobody set white lady up and forced her to act like a crazy buffoon in this video. Did you see someone pointing a gun at her head forcing her to act this way?
I think this woman is entitled to act or behave the way she likes to, however,
Generally speaking, if there is no law specifically protecting you from being fired for the activity under consideration, and if you are not a union or governmental employee with special protection against being fired without a reason, then you are employed at will.
It's understandable for employers to be concerned about workers' off-duty activities that may affect job performance or the company's image—but employers must ensure that their policies don't violate state laws that protect employees' lawful conduct outside of work.
Currently, Nearly 30 states have some level of protection based on lawful off-duty activities. These protections typically vary from the limited coverage of tobacco use to a broader protection to use all lawful products, Furthermore, some states protect employees who engage in political activities outside of work, and others protect all lawful off-duty activities.
So, maybe the woman has a case, maybe she doesn't, she has to look into her state's laws.
It is what it is.
Do I think she is a racist? well, I don't make such a ridiculous judgment based on one video.
Generally I agree, and depending on the potential infraction (even outside of work) employers can do as they please.
That said, it must be a two way street, not just applicable toward a certain class or race of people. Thus if a white person can be fired off duty for drugged or drunken behavior that is not PC, then it must be applicable across the board.
Otherwise it codifies and gives tacit approval of one type of ideology, while suppressing the other.
As someone who employees people, I don't care what they do on their own time (legally). They can be a hardcore partisan opposite of me, or even a kook as far as I am concerned. As long as they are honest, dependable, respectful toward customers, and are good at their job, more power to them. That is what makes out country great, and excels past all others.
Yes I believe in American exceptionalism, and it is based in part on our ability to disagree with each other, yet still work for a common goal and future together.
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Actually, people are fired every day. It's part of life. Yes, if you're caught acting foolish your employer can legally fire you. Boo hoo.
And this woman's employer wasn't "monitoring" her behavior in her time off work, she was showing off in a video, she knew she was being recorded and she didn't care. The video was made public. I think it's funny that you feel sorry for her.
Please don't be obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.
You know well that if a private employer fired people for certain reasons they would pay a price either through EEOC or civil litigation, as it would seem we do put a certain number of requirements on even private employers, clubs and organizations these days.
As to not being monitored, again lets be real. Maybe the government is not monitoring her, but social media (and those using it to try and ruin people) has become all too common.
Many a Sci-Fi book and/or movie envisions a society such as ours being run and ostensibly controlled by all powerful corporate interests.
One could even argue that we have such symbiotic relationships between the government and those entities that must conform, otherwise risk losing large government contracts.
Regardless, at one time or another we have all run afoul of proper decorum/social conduct, but didn't have people recording it and sending it across the globe within seconds of our screw ups.
As to "feeling sorry for her", rest assured I am capable of playing devils advocate or even empathizing with an overall issue without condoning ones particular behavior.
For example, I actually personally loath these narcissistic attention whores who want to take "selfies" or give hour by hour updates on what they are doing, no matter how mundane.
The idea of fools thinking their current meal or bowel movement is important to society at large is a pathetic example of how devolved our society has become.
I rarely therefore have little to no sympathy for these fools that destroy their own lives/jobs by posting rubbish themselves.
However, if others are recording and then "doxing" the information to try to ruin someone for a moment of stupidity or bad judgment, that is a different animal.
Few of us could have gotten to our current stations in life had our every move (outside of work) been used to try and ruin us at a weak point in life.
Lastly, my post was more focused on something that seems to elude you, that being hypocrisy and double standards being applied arbitrarily.
If our society will continue to devolve into a game of gotcha, then it had better be a two way street.
If you do or say something stupid that offends someone of liberal orthodoxy and are damaged by it, then rest assured the exact same standards should apply to offending someone of conservative orthodoxy.
Frankly, I think neither side should look to ruin a person for a rare fopaux in a time of weakness or stupidity. We are all sinners with no one having a corner on perfection.
A persons life should be based on it's general makeup and totality, not one or two slip ups.
However, if we as a society get to a stage where any little thing we do in preschool should be able to ruin us later in life, it should not be a single ideology (i.e. PC of today) that gets a pass, and the opposite gets destroyed.
Hence my comment about those who live by the sword should not be immune to dying by the sword.
Please don't be obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.
You know well that if a private employer fired people for certain reasons they would pay a price either through EEOC or civil litigation, as it would seem we do put a certain number of requirements on even private employers, clubs and organizations these days.
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Yes, but this woman won't be able to get the EEOC to back her up with regard to her job termination, because she wasn't fired for discriminatory reasons (race, sex, age) and even when people are legitimately victims of real discrimination, it's very hard to get the EEOC to take their case unless it's a slam dunk. It's a myth that employers are constantly getting sued by the EEOC. It is very hard to prove discrimination or discriminatory intent. Even harder to win a lawsuit against corporate giants like Wal Mart.
I almost fell out of my chair when I noticed CNN didn't promote the story to national news. Huffpo, NYpost and a few others did but wow...CNN usually using these for ratings gold.
While searching however, I did see a CNN article about a dice game in an apartment leading to 8 shot\dead...but the link was no longer working lmao.
Just a little honesty about how the media selects what stories to promote, and which not to. This is a clear issue whether you're right, left or other.
We still don't really know why or how it started. And the black people were antagonistic and unfriendly from the get go. This seems like a set up.
I'm white and I would be very antagonistic and unfriendly to someone who came up to me and acted that obnoxious while I was already dealing with something like car issues. If you aren't going to offer constructive assistance, get the hell out of my face.
Generally I agree, and depending on the potential infraction (even outside of work) employers can do as they please.
That said, it must be a two way street, not just applicable toward a certain class or race of people. Thus if a white person can be fired off duty for drugged or drunken behavior that is not PC, then it must be applicable across the board.
Otherwise it codifies and gives tacit approval of one type of ideology, while suppressing the other.
As someone who employees people, I don't care what they do on their own time (legally). They can be a hardcore partisan opposite of me, or even a kook as far as I am concerned. As long as they are honest, dependable, respectful toward customers, and are good at their job, more power to them. That is what makes out country great, and excels past all others.
Yes I believe in American exceptionalism, and it is based in part on our ability to disagree with each other, yet still work for a common goal and future together.
Please don't be obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.
You know well that if a private employer fired people for certain reasons they would pay a price either through EEOC or civil litigation, as it would seem we do put a certain number of requirements on even private employers, clubs and organizations these days.
As to not being monitored, again lets be real. Maybe the government is not monitoring her, but social media (and those using it to try and ruin people) has become all too common.
Many a Sci-Fi book and/or movie envisions a society such as ours being run and ostensibly controlled by all powerful corporate interests.
One could even argue that we have such symbiotic relationships between the government and those entities that must conform, otherwise risk losing large government contracts.
Regardless, at one time or another we have all run afoul of proper decorum/social conduct, but didn't have people recording it and sending it across the globe within seconds of our screw ups.
As to "feeling sorry for her", rest assured I am capable of playing devils advocate or even empathizing with an overall issue without condoning ones particular behavior.
For example, I actually personally loath these narcissistic attention whores who want to take "selfies" or give hour by hour updates on what they are doing, no matter how mundane.
The idea of fools thinking their current meal or bowel movement is important to society at large is a pathetic example of how devolved our society has become.
I rarely therefore have little to no sympathy for these fools that destroy their own lives/jobs by posting rubbish themselves.
However, if others are recording and then "doxing" the information to try to ruin someone for a moment of stupidity or bad judgment, that is a different animal.
Few of us could have gotten to our current stations in life had our every move (outside of work) been used to try and ruin us at a weak point in life.
Lastly, my post was more focused on something that seems to elude you, that being hypocrisy and double standards being applied arbitrarily.
If our society will continue to devolve into a game of gotcha, then it had better be a two way street.
If you do or say something stupid that offends someone of liberal orthodoxy and are damaged by it, then rest assured the exact same standards should apply to offending someone of conservative orthodoxy.
Frankly, I think neither side should look to ruin a person for a rare fopaux in a time of weakness or stupidity. We are all sinners with no one having a corner on perfection.
A persons life should be based on it's general makeup and totality, not one or two slip ups.
However, if we as a society get to a stage where any little thing we do in preschool should be able to ruin us later in life, it should not be a single ideology (i.e. PC of today) that gets a pass, and the opposite gets destroyed.
Hence my comment about those who live by the sword should not be immune to dying by the sword.
I like holding people accountable for their actions. Everyone has a phone and everyone can record you being a drunken fool. You are still free to make racist comments, but employers everywhere, especially big employers like Spectrum, have a code of conduct, and if you are clearly seen violating Rule #1 of any corporations code of conduct (Don't be a Racist) then you're done, you might as well clean out your desk if it is on tape. And I like that.
You still have your freedom of speech, no one is taking that away from you, but you have to find another job that tolerates racist fools.
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This is a clear issue whether you're right, left or other.
