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Old 10-30-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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You just contradicted yourself within two sentences. Congratulations on winning the leftist doublespeak award.
Its not double speak. You simply don't know the meaning of either words.

Consequences: a result or effect of an action or condition.

Hindrance: a thing that provides resistance, delay, or obstruction to something or someone.

Do I need to post another picture so that you can understand?

The idiot in the video was not politically hindered from expressing her racist nonsense. The fact that it came with economic and social consequences doesn't mean that her freedom of speech was violated.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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That's not strictly true. A school or employee "Code of Conduct" can't make you on your own time and property give up your 2nd amendment rights, 4th or 5th rights etc. No one can just willy nilly violate your constitutional rights just because they are not acting on behalf of the government.
How, and why, would an employer try to make someone give up his right to criticize the government?

Firing someone for spewing racially bigoted talk has nothing to do with the second amendment. How could an employer violate the fourth amendment, which has to do with search and seizure and probable cause? Or the fifth, which covers due process, double jeopardy, and self incrimination?
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:28 PM
 
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How, and why, would an employer try to make someone give up his right to criticize the government?

Firing someone for spewing racially bigoted talk has nothing to do with the second amendment. How could an employer violate the fourth amendment, which has to do with search and seizure and probable cause? Or the fifth, which covers due process, double jeopardy, and self incrimination?
What a confused response. "Bigoted" speech is free speech and relates to the 1st amendment. If an employer fired you because you have a gun in your home, that would be infringing your 2nd amendment. If an employer required that you allow them to search your home or car or bank account to make sure you're not stealing anything that would be infringing on your 4th amendment, etc.


My point is we wouldn't want employee or school "Code of conduct" rules to violate our rights in general so we shouldn't want it violating our number 1 and 1st constitutional rights.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The African American women handled her well, and the lady is facing the consequences of her stupid tirade.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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Its not double speak. You simply don't know the meaning of either words.

Consequences: a result or effect of an action or condition.

Hindrance: a thing that provides resistance, delay, or obstruction to something or someone.

Do I need to post another picture so that you can understand?

The idiot in the video was not politically hindered from expressing her racist nonsense. The fact that it came with economic and social consequences doesn't mean that her freedom of speech was violated.
A consequence acts as a hinderance and vice versa and goes hand in hand. Speech is being hindered by consequences from a third party.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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The African American women handled her well, and the lady is facing the consequences of her stupid tirade.
No wonder when you start recording knowing your going to publish the recording. We're not seeing the body language of the recorders but most importantly we don't really know what the recorders did before starting their ad hoc recording. I'm thinking it was "let's set off the drunk white lady then record her and publish it".
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:44 PM
 
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No wonder when you start recording knowing your going to publish the recording. We're not seeing the body language of the recorders but most importantly we don't really know what the recorders did before starting their ad hoc recording.
None of that matters, does it? You aren't interested in any investigation and in any event, lack any real reasoning ability. You identified yourself with this quote:

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I want to know what the black people said to her or how they were acting before the disagreement. White people don't generally confront black people for no reason unless they're acting suspicious or antagonizing. We're not getting the whole story.
1. You've predicted a set of responses based upon the pigmentation of the people involved. On their skin colour.
2. This makes the assumption that people can be judged by their skin colour
3. As skin colour doesn't dictate cultural norms (Black and white people come from across the world), you have outed yourself as a racist
4. You have also attributed positive genetic attributes to white people in general and by implication have not sought to defend the black people's actions due to your understanding of how people act based upon their skin pigmentation
5. This implies you believe black people are capable of behaviours that white people aren't

As all racists are complete cowards, you will be in denial, but the words are pretty clear to see. Everything you have said since has been tainted by that hate.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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None of that matters, does it? You aren't interested in any investigation and in any event, lack any real reasoning ability. You identified yourself with this quote:



1. You've predicted a set of responses based upon the pigmentation of the people involved. On their skin colour.
2. This makes the assumption that people can be judged by their skin colour
3. As skin colour doesn't dictate cultural norms (Black and white people come from across the world), you have outed yourself as a racist
4. You have also attributed positive genetic attributes to white people in general and by implication have not sought to defend the black people's actions due to your understanding of how people act based upon their skin pigmentation
5. This implies you believe black people are capable of behaviours that white people aren't

As all racists are complete cowards, you will be in denial, but the words are pretty clear to see. Everything you have said since has been tainted by that hate.
Your premise is false. Skin color is the least of race and being a black or white American. By your grammar I can tell you are a foreigner. White American females are very accustomed to being around blacks and essentially never just confront them for just being black. There is almost always something more at play.
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:08 PM
 
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None of that matters, does it? You aren't interested in any investigation and in any event, lack any real reasoning ability. You identified yourself with this quote:



1. You've predicted a set of responses based upon the pigmentation of the people involved. On their skin colour.
2. This makes the assumption that people can be judged by their skin colour
3. As skin colour doesn't dictate cultural norms (Black and white people come from across the world), you have outed yourself as a racist
4. You have also attributed positive genetic attributes to white people in general and by implication have not sought to defend the black people's actions due to your understanding of how people act based upon their skin pigmentation
5. This implies you believe black people are capable of behaviours that white people aren't

As all racists are complete cowards, you will be in denial, but the words are pretty clear to see. Everything you have said since has been tainted by that hate.
Racist persons are not only cowards, they will lie. It is not to prevent censure. It is to make it harder to fight them. Said persons will say racist things and tell all kinds of lies to back up their racist mentality. The whole idea is to make bigotry and racism "palatable" and to make it look legitimate.
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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A consequence acts as a hinderance and vice versa and goes hand in hand. Speech is being hindered by consequences from a third party.
Making speech free of consequences would make speech irrelevant. What makes speech important is the fact that it has consequences both positive and negative. If you find the consequences of said speech to be a hindrance then that is on you. The lady in the video didn't believe that to be the case and said things that had consequences to her life. She misjudged and it cost her. Such is the nature of free speech.
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