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It means that the children of diplomats and Native Americans who were not subject to our laws were not citizens.
No, it means that children of diplomats and Native Americans... and babies of illegal alien parents... who are subject to OTHER COUNTRIES' laws, were not citizens.
No, it means that children of diplomats and Native Americans... and babies of illegal alien parents... who are subject to OTHER COUNTRIES' laws, were not citizens.
So if the 14th amendment is open for interpretation would others be open to interpretation.
I wonder if through EO a democrat can redefine "Well regulated Militia"
If a Democrat ever becomes President again before the party disintegrates, he can try. But we will cross that bridge if and when we come to it. That is not the bridge before us now.
This is nothing more than a publicity stunt to rile up the under educated masses. He doesn't have the power.
President Trump is head of the Executive Branch. He has the authority to do whatever is necessary to carry out the laws of the United States, either passed by Congress or codified in the Constitution. In fact, that's his main job.
Since the 14th amendment said that neither illegal aliens nor their babies are citizens ("... and under the jurisdiction thereof"), he has full authority to issue orders to carry out that mandate.
And that will remain true until and unless Congress enacts a new, different definition of "under the jurisdiction thereof".
It means that the children of diplomats and Native Americans who were not subject to our laws were not citizens.
hmm
according to you, maybe,
but
When Senator Lyman Trumbull (D-IL), Chairman of the Judiciary Committee (and a key figure in the drafting and adoption of the 14th Amendment) was asked what the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant,he responded:
“That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof’? Not owing allegiance to anyone else. That is what it means.” (Emphasis added.) Only U.S. citizens owe “complete allegiance” to the United States. Everyone present in the United States is subject to its laws (and hence its “jurisdiction” in a general sense), but only citizens can be drafted into the armed forces of the United States, or prosecuted for treason if they take up arms against it.
So according to Senator Lyman Trumbull (D-IL) chairman of the juriciary committee (and a key figure in the drafting and adoption of the 14th Amendment), it means "subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof" ONlY American citizens owe complete allegiance to the U.S.
President Donald Trump said in an interview posted on Tuesday that he intends to sign an executive order that would terminate birthright citizenships in part of an effort to end "anchor babies" and "chain migration."
You wouldn’t be waiting if you read the multiple responses on this point. The phrase “subject to the jurisdiction of” means “subject to the civil and criminal laws of the US and subject to the enforcement of those laws by the US judiciary.”
Clearly false as in Elk v. Wilkins, SCOTUS ruled Elk was NOT a 14th Amendment US citizen as he owed allegiance to his Tribe when he was born.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.
Please explain to me what does the bold mean then.
I am waiting.
Children of illegal immigrants that are born here and subject to our jurisdiction.
The whole record is here. Iv'e linked to it before on this thread and given a number of quotes from the Senators who confirm that definition. "Jurisdiction" is exclusively talked about in terms of whether the persons in question must abide by US laws and can be tried in US courts for civil and criminal offenses of those laws.
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