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Old 11-01-2018, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Originally Posted by Salmonburgher View Post

However, there are many people in the US who believe that whatever the original intent of the 14th amendment, granting citizenship to any person simply because he/she was fortunate enough to be born on US soil is bad policy and should be changed.

People in other nations agree, apparently:

Presently, the US and Canada are the only developed nations that grant birthright citizenship. The following are some of the countries whose legislatures have repealed birthright citizenship:

Portugal (1981)
UK (1983)
India (1987)
Malta (1989)
France (1993)
New Zealand (2005)
Ireland (2005)
Australia (2007)


What Trump has done is put the issue on the agenda, and while an EO may not achieve the goal, perhaps some day in the future the 14th amendment will be amended to preclude persons born on US soil to illegal immigrants from being granted US citizenship.

That's what this is all about.

Sorry!
Nailed it and excellent post.

 
Old 11-01-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ellis Island is within US jurisdiction. How else do you think aliens can be deported from it?

If what you assert were true, Ellis Island would have to host rejected aliens forever on the premises, as the US Government would have NO jurisdiction to deport them.
I am not going to say it for the 4th time.

You are in denial. People at Ellis Island had not yet been admitted into the US (that's why they were there), and therefore not yet under the protection of US laws.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Salmonburgher View Post
Presently, the US and Canada are the only developed nations that grant birthright citizenship.
Nonsense. Dozens of countries have Jus Soil laws.

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What Trump has done is put the issue on the agenda, and while an EO may not achieve the goal, perhaps some day in the future the 14th amendment will be amended to preclude persons born on US soil to illegal immigrants from being granted US citizenship.
It has been put on the agenda many times before. Who knows, maybe they will amend the Constitution one day, but the problem is that the Congress would actually have to do something other than whine.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 06:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I am not going to say it for the 4th time.

You are in denial. People at Ellis Island had not yet been admitted into the US (that's why they were there), and therefore not yet under the protection of US laws.
Ellis Island was/is under US jurisdiction. That's why rejected aliens could be deported from it. Stop deluding yourself and DEAL with the truth.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 07:03 AM
 
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Does a son of a foreign terrorist or an invader get citizenship if he’s born in USA during the time when the said terrorist or invader commits his terrorism or invasion?
 
Old 11-01-2018, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ellis Island was/is under US jurisdiction. That's why rejected aliens could be deported from it. Stop deluding yourself and DEAL with the truth.
You are beyond hope
 
Old 11-01-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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The actual SCOTUS-established requirement is that parents have a permanent domicile in the US at the time of the child's birth. Illegal aliens don't have that. They're not even supposed to be here at all and are subject to deportation at any time. Their permanent domicile is in their citizenship country unless they have become a Legal Permanent Resident of the US (aka... a LEGAL immigrant).
Um, no. There are now companies that bring pregnant women into the US just long enough to have a baby.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Um, no. There are now companies that bring pregnant women into the US just long enough to have a baby.
Yes, the 14th Amendment text allows this. Those kinds of examples make a case for Constitutional amendment.

Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 11-01-2018 at 07:29 AM..
 
Old 11-01-2018, 07:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You are beyond hope
No, actually, I am correct. WAY too much historical and legal evidence, including the Fed Gov's own archived records, proves exactly so.

History matters. Facts matter. "Emoting" is illusory.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 07:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Um, no. There are now companies that bring pregnant women into the US just long enough to have a baby.
Based on an erroneous, bastardized "interpretation" of the 14th Amendment that started just within the past few decades , as archived Fed Gov records clearly show.
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