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You don't need to deport them necessarily but simply make it impossible for them to live in the USA comfortably. They'd self-deport. They have proven quite willing to cross large distances (in presumably meager means) when life is uncomfortable for them.
What's needed to make their life uncomfortable is simply passing a few laws, for example:
1)Children need to be born to legal residents to be afforded citizenship
2)Children can only attend public schools if their parents are legal residents
3)People who use emergency care services need to prove (before they're discharged) they're legal residents, if not they're deported
4)All people pulled over for vehicular infractions need to prove they're legal residents or automatically be detained and deported
5)All employers with 50 or more employees need to "E-verify", if not their businesses will be fined into oblivion
Your solution does not fix the problem. Giving 13 million illegals a pathway to citizenship does not stop 13 million more from coming. Maybe that's what you want afterall however, for you it's not the bug but the feature
Great post. Also I don't accept it as fact that a constitutional amendment should be need for 1. But even so, if you're not for open borders then amend the citizenship clause.
And what the left cannot understand is that we intend to change those asinine policies that have put us in this place. They should have to file their asylum prior to coming here. Any court hearings can be done same day. One could say that Mexico, by not having prevented their entry at their southern border and having offered them asylum, has accepted these asylum seekers. It is us that does not have to accept non Americans from Mexico.
You cannot change many of these policies. You cannot even get at the ones which are statutory any more the constitutional ones.
And once they enter American territory there is no requirement that the Mexicans take them back regardless of the paperwork. Mexico is only required to admit Mexicans. So you can get a deportation order after a hearing and ship them back to Honduras.
Immigrants, including illegal immigrants, are net contributors to social services.
No not including illegal aliens. They are not net contributors. Besides who cares if legal immigrants are net contributors? Then only have merit based immigration if that is the criterion. Immigrants are net takers from the average American and contribute various other undesirable things like voting for democrats, price inflation and wage deflation, congestion, pollution etc.
No not including illegal aliens. They are not net contributors. Besides who cares if legal immigrants are net contributors? Then only have merit based immigration if that is the criterion. Immigrants are net takers from the average American and contribute various other undesirable things like voting for democrats, price inflation and wage deflation, congestion, pollution etc.
Yes, we are all aware that you have expressly stated that you do not want immigrants here because you don't like how they look different from you and because some do evil things like voting for a political party other than your own if they achieve citizenship. You are incorrect that they are net "takers" and cause price inflation. For the most part, they have minimal impact on wages except at the very lowest level. I have not seen any study that suggests that they add to congestion or pollution - can you give us some links?
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No not including illegal aliens. They are not net contributors. Besides who cares if legal immigrants are net contributors? Then only have merit based immigration if that is the criterion. Immigrants are net takers from the average American and contribute various other undesirable things like voting for democrats, price inflation and wage deflation, congestion, pollution etc.
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Besides who cares if legal immigrants are net contributors?
It does for the u.s. expats who other wise have to pay the fed to exit.
A US "ex-pat" who is not a US citizen is what is commonly known as... a foreigner.
I think the amount of tax income from former anchor babies who left the country is trivial. First, if they have left for good many may simply not report it. The US can't arrest them on foreign soil. Second, foreign earned income exclusion applies to first $100k which is upper 1% in most of those countries. Third, medicare and ss taxes are not due in most cases. Fourth, reciprocity agreements between countries to avoid double taxation means they not owe any taxes if they have already paid equivalent income taxes.
You cannot change many of these policies. You cannot even get at the ones which are statutory any more the constitutional ones.
And once they enter American territory there is no requirement that the Mexicans take them back regardless of the paperwork. Mexico is only required to admit Mexicans. So you can get a deportation order after a hearing and ship them back to Honduras.
So we'll get that deportation order after a 5 minute hearing held by the arresting CBP agent/judge.
Quit objecting to any measure to disincentivize illegals and telling us we can't do anything.
So we'll get that deportation order after a 5 minute hearing held by the arresting CBP agent/judge.
Quit objecting to any measure to disincentivize illegals and telling us we can't do anything.
So you're advocating for some type of kangaroo court? Again, the Supreme Court has already ruled that the immigrants, even illegal ones, are entitled to Constitutional due process. You can't just chuck that out the window for political expediency. You realize you're so hell-bent on throwing these people out that you're willing to rubbish even the most basic of tenets that have made our country great? That is really sad.
So we'll get that deportation order after a 5 minute hearing held by the arresting CBP agent/judge.
Quit objecting to any measure to disincentivize illegals and telling us we can't do anything.
Quit reaching for miracles. Clicking your red shoes does not work. Illegals have the rights they have.
Fact of life. And that will likely include a fair hearing before a real judge with the right to present evidence.
And in the overall scheme of thing they are of little consequence.
Quit reaching for miracles. Clicking your red shoes does not work. Illegals have the rights they have.
Fact of life. And that will likely include a fair hearing before a real judge with the right to present evidence.
And in the overall scheme of thing they are of little consequence.
There seem to be an awful lot of pie-in-the-sky thinkers on this thread. Illegal immigrants are here. Illegal immigrants have rights. Deporting all of the illegal immigrants that are here is impossible. Given those facts, the question is what do we do with them?
The choices basically boil down to helping them assimilate, become part of the legal tax-paying workforce or keeping the status quo while at most tinkering with the fringes.
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