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Old 10-31-2018, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Trump is Hitler?


Nonsense!


Hitler went to war when his country called.

 
Old 10-31-2018, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Houston
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If you are really interested in the subject of Hitler and the subjects of evil and the holocaust I suggest the book Explaining Hitler. There is a philosophy that holds you aren’t evil if in your mind you are doing good.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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It seems both the far-right and the far-left wishes Trump was Hitler, but sadly, he isn't.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by TamaraSavannah View Post
Trump is Hitler?


Nonsense!


Hitler went to war when his country called.
Ok, that's not bad.

 
Old 10-31-2018, 10:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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But I also want to explain why Hitler was not as evil as everyone thinks he was. I am Jewish, so don't say I'm a neo-Nazi. I just want to explain a little of the historical context of Nazi Germany.

Hitler got the reputation for being evil because he wanted to get rid of the Jews.
The reputation was deserved, even if that was the only basis for it. But it wasn't: He also actually DID what he said he wanted, and massacred millions of innocents solely for their religion and ancestry. As well as plunging the entire continent into the bloodiest war the world had ever seen, and massacred millions more combatants and civilians on all sides.

You might consider keeping these points in mind while trying to persuade us Hitler wasn't such a bad guy.

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He wanted to purify the German race and breed it into a super-race.
Did that somehow make him "not evil"?

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Crazy idea? Yes, but MOST PEOPLE at that time believed in eugenics.
Did that make eugenics "not evil"?

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And MOST PEOPLE also hated the Jews.
Did that make hating Jews "not evil"?

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Lots of Americans were into eugenics,
Did that make it "not evil"?

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and it was considered very scientific.
Did that make it "not evil"?

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So that is where Hitler was coming from. I don't know if he originally intended to murder Jews, or if he just went crazy at the end while losing the war.
He was preaching to anyone who would listen, that getting rid of the Jews would be the best thing to do, even during his time as a soldier in WWI.

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I really think that if you want to use Hitler as the symbol of evil, you have to also include MOST PEOPLE of that time in history as symbols of evil.
Here we seem to have a poster who, in all seriousness, is telling us that since a lot of people agreed with Hitler, that makes Hitler OK, or at least "less evil" somehow.

And people such as this poster might turn out to be the greatest evil of all.
Because they are the ones who put Hitler into power and enabled him to actually DO what he preached.

Without people like this poster, Hitler probably would have done little or nothing besides talk, like many other useless vagrants in 1920s and 1930s Germany.

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Old 10-31-2018, 11:01 PM
 
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Trump isn't a collective socialist. The main value in Hitlers Germany
Hitler jailed the socialists and communists, fyi. They were his political opponents.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 11:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Hitler jailed the socialists and communists, fyi. They were his political opponents.
And like all left-wing socialists, he hated the competition.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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First of all, I don't think Trump is evil. But I also want to explain why Hitler was not as evil as everyone thinks he was. I am Jewish, so don't say I'm a neo-Nazi. I just want to explain a little of the historical context of Nazi Germany.

Hitler got the reputation for being evil because he wanted to get rid of the Jews. He wanted to purify the German race and breed it into a super-race. Crazy idea? Yes, but MOST PEOPLE at that time believed in eugenics. And MOST PEOPLE also hated the Jews.

Lots of Americans were into eugenics, and it was considered very scientific.

So that is where Hitler was coming from. I don't know if he originally intended to murder Jews, or if he just went crazy at the end while losing the war.

I really think that if you want to use Hitler as the symbol of evil, you have to also include MOST PEOPLE of that time in history as symbols of evil.

And finally, calling Trump anti-semitic is just silly, considering that his daughter's husband is Jewish and is part of the administration, for one thing. But I actually have relatives who think Trump is planning to throw them into concentration camps. Truly.
I was with you until you got to this part. Putting calling people evil aside, I have to strongly disagree with you that Hitler's views on eugenics were part of the mainstream. I am also of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jewish descent. My great-great-grandparents, like many wealthy Americans, bestowed much largesse on the eugenics movement, organizations like the American Birth Control League (Planned Parenthood), Immigration Restriction League, and others. I respect and admire many aspects of what was the eugenics movement. However, it is imperative to recognize that Hitler's interpretation of eugenics was well outside of the mainstream and demonstrated astounding ignorance of the science and social objectives of the research and the movement.

Ironically, Hitler targeted Europe's Jews when their community embodied so many of the societal objectives of the idealistic eugenics movement. Europe's Jews were often affluent and highly intelligent. Affluence and intellect were the hallmarks of the American eugenics movement. The American eugenics movement brought together Americans of all races and ethnicities. Many of the leading African-American intellectuals and civil rights activists including people like W.E.B. Du Bois and Thomas Wyatt Turner were early advocates within the movement.

Hitler's writings contain a plethora of diatribes, rumors, and false accusations against Germany's Jews. Hitler's hatred of the Jewish people ran deep. There is some debate as to whether he wanted to exterminate them. Obviously, the Final Solution has been researched and debated for decades. I think it is likely that he wanted to deport the Jews to Israel/Palestine but ran into insurmountable logistical and geopolitical obstacles. Hitler twisted eugenics to suit his irrational hatred of the Jewish people and his false beliefs on race and racial purity. Hitler did more to destroy the eugenics movement than anyone. Eugenics became taboo fairly quickly after the conclusion of the war. His actions were reprehensible and indefensible. Whether the German people are responsible, and discussions of why the Nazis came to power are something to be had. However, it is indisputable that Hitler was not only immoral but just flat out wrong.

Donald Trump is not like Hitler at all. Those are ridiculous accusations. He is not on the same political plane. He is most certainly not anti-semitic, and I think it is ridiculous to accuse him of encouraging anti-semitic tropes. He has been a stalwart defender of Israel. He is the first President of the United States to have Jewish blood relatives. He has other Jews among his closest advisers. Calling him racist and anti-semitic exposes one's political biases. Ultimately, you are going to hear and read what you want to hear and read from his remarks. If you want to see him as anti-semitic, that is your choice, but it doesn't make it true.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 11:43 PM
 
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When Trump puts 6 million liberal snowflakes in an oven then you can say Trump acts like Hitler.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Houston
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When Trump puts 6 million liberal snowflakes in an oven then you can say Trump acts like Hitler.
Only if ya want to be 6 million and one
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