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Old 11-05-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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I don't ever recall sending 5000 troops to the border for a few months, maybe you can share your expertise in that area.

You challenged. He answered. He is the one speaking from firsthand experience while you speak from ignorance. How about you crawl back under your rock now?
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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What a small insignificant number of members on CD want is irrelevant. They don't represent the majority of Americans. I'm certainly not an advocate of violence unless it's absolutely necessary. This claim that none of these migrants are armed is bogus also. Did you read the DHS site that was posted in here? Here is it again in case you missed it.


https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/11/01/...s-fact-caravan
Do you folk ever bother to read what you cite?

That is a DHS puff piece likely written by the White House.

What does it actually say?

How about the 270 bad guys? How many are in the Caravan? The do not say there are any. The 270 bad guys live "near the caravan route". So none are actually known to be members.

And get to the bottom line...they intend to let the asylum seekers in.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Just google Operation Jump Start and Operation Phalanx. I was deployed with an engineer unit both times. There were MP units, FSC, aviation, and other combat support units.


My engineer unit was responsible for repairing access roads along the fences. Access roads are critical to BP's border protection mission because that is how they get to a "hot" area along the fences.


Yes, my engineer unit was armed with M4 rifles and 150 rounds of 5.56mm, but we were not allowed to operate without oversight of a CBP agent/officer.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...mexico-border/
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The "same old tired failed policy for 50 years" that hasn't been working is sending them hundreds of millions in aid in the futile hope that they can become economically stronger. Stopping them at the border and sending them back, to the strictness that we are doing today, is the new policy.



What history has shown is that we can never make another country prosperous through charity. The impoverished underdeveloped Third World countries dependent on foreign aid today are the same ones from 50 years ago. What nation has ever climbed out of the cesspool due to foreign aid?
Our focus has always been to stop them at the border and sending them back, this is nothing new.
Border incursions have been declining since 2008.


Maybe we could steer some of those dollars from Israel to central America where it will help this situation. Foreign aide although not a solution sure gives us leverage. What history has shown is that this isn't working, continuing to do the same with no other plan is complete madness.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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You know that is what I said, right? That the troops are not going to the border in an enforcement capacity to "shoot immigrants who may throw rocks"

You believe those thousands (you know innocent women and children) are going to push through troops the numbers of military personnel and border patrol officers and enter the country illegally? You think there is no middle ground, its either let them through or shoot them?

When these people arrive they are most likely going to need food, water, medical attention. They will need to be processed and provided shelter. Who do you think is going to do that?
Its almost funny some of you believe the troops are being sent to shoot people.
Then call out the Red Cross or the National Guard, not regular Army.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Just google Operation Jump Start and Operation Phalanx. I was deployed with an engineer unit both times. There were MP units, FSC, aviation, and other combat support units.


My engineer unit was responsible for repairing access roads along the fences. Access roads are critical to BP's border protection mission because that is how they get to a "hot" area along the fences.


Yes, my engineer unit was armed with M4 rifles and 150 rounds of 5.56mm, but we were not allowed to operate without oversight of a CBP agent/officer.
I do see that they sent 6000 national guard troops over 2 years in Jump Start with the main purpose being making the border safer, there wasn't one specific incident that drove it just a general lawlessness. It seemed to be well planned, this is being done as a response to the caravan and is not national guard.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No. This is a political stunt and everyone knows it. Gives his base a pacifier and costs the taxpayers and military.

It is stoooopid.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:23 PM
 
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Our focus has always been to stop them at the border and sending them back, this is nothing new.
Border incursions have been declining since 2008.


Maybe we could steer some of those dollars from Israel to central America where it will help this situation. Foreign aide although not a solution sure gives us leverage. What history has shown is that this isn't working, continuing to do the same with no other plan is complete madness.

Nope, what history has shown is that foreign aid doesn't work. It has never worked. The only real thing that has worked, no matter how much we don't want to admit it, is occupation.



Also what hasn't worked is amnesty and catch-and-release. If it's true that these illegals are hard-working law-abiding good people with "spirit" then their home country is the worse off for their leaving and the best thing we can do for their home country is return them.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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Then call out the Red Cross or the National Guard, not regular Army.

NG deployment will always be more expensive and disruptive than AD. The AD soldier is fulltime and already being paid, housed, and fed. Those costs are already in the budget and already being paid. The NG is part-time so their deployment costs are incremental, above and beyond what we were paying. The NG also likely has a civilian job and civilian home and a deployment is extremely disruptive to their life and the economy.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nope, what history has shown is that foreign aid doesn't work. It has never worked. The only real thing that has worked, no matter how much we don't want to admit it, is occupation.



Also what hasn't worked is amnesty and catch-and-release. If it's true that these illegals are hard-working law-abiding good people with "spirit" then their home country is the worse off for their leaving and the best thing we can do for their home country is return them.
That's easy for you to say, your life isn't in danger, people don't just get up and march a thousand miles without a good reason.
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