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Old 11-01-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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Maybe one way to get around this would be to just go to a new doctor and and ask them to determine what is wrong...so when they find the same things, it would not be 'pre existing', instead, it would be a brand new diagnosis.
You are proposing insurance fraud.

Only Rick Scott can do that and get away with it.
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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Most Trump supporters are uneducated, low-income workers in their 50s and 60s. Many of them can't think for themselves.

They are unware that getting rid of preexisting conditions would go directly against their own best interests.

Why do so many people support Trump again???
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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There was an article in The Economist last week discussing how popular the ACA is in deep-red Trump country in Idaho. For all their railing against it, it turns out rural conservatives quite like many of the things the ACA brings to the table.
I mean... it only confirms what we already know as the status quo: many conservatives are just plain stupid. lol (i.e. Trump country were mostly uneducated folks voting in favor)
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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I mean... it only confirms what we already know as the status quo: many conservatives are just plain stupid. lol
Many people are just plain stupid. The affliction of stupidity is not limited to one side.
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:25 AM
 
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According to your plan ^, health insurance companies would only cover healthy people. Sick persons would pay through the roof or else tax payers will pay for them. Got any other great ideas?
Do car insurers only cover brand new cars and people with perfect driving records? Do home insurers only insure homes in safe and disaster free areas?

Prior to ObamaCare, 91% of the country was insured. How in less than 10 years that history has bee rewritten to "nobody had insurance prior to 2010" is a mystery to me, but Americans are pretty ignorant about anything that happened before last week.

Prior to ObamaCare, insurers could both deny preexisting conditions and could set rates according to the risk analysis tables and profitability models. Yet there was no widespread "all sick people are denied coverage/payments, we're all going to die!" cataclysm occurring.

Prior to ObamaCare, costs for insurance were cheaper, on average, than they are now.

You do realize this country and the concept of profitable risk mitigation made it all the way to 2010 before ObamaCare arrived, right?
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Eastern N.C.
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Everyone has had access to health care for several years. There should not even be any pre-existing conditions any more.

Under ACA anything prior was covered. If someone didn't take advantage then it should be them accepting the consequences.

I'm no fan of insurance companies but you can't sign up for life insurance when your parachute doesn't open.
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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There was an article in The Economist last week discussing how popular the ACA is in deep-red Trump country in Idaho. For all their railing against it, it turns out rural conservatives quite like many of the things the ACA brings to the table.
I will never forget the old people ca 2011 on a local overpass with a banner against "government health insurance" Of course they are on Medicare which is "government health insurance"
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Do car insurers only cover brand new cars and people with perfect driving records? Do home insurers only insure homes in safe and disaster free areas?

Prior to ObamaCare, 91% of the country was insured. How in less than 10 years that history has bee rewritten to "nobody had insurance prior to 2010" is a mystery to me, but Americans are pretty ignorant about anything that happened before last week.

Prior to ObamaCare, insurers could both deny preexisting conditions and could set rates according to the risk analysis tables and profitability models. Yet there was no widespread "all sick people are denied coverage/payments, we're all going to die!" cataclysm occurring.

Prior to ObamaCare, costs for insurance were cheaper, on average, than they are now.

You do realize this country and the concept of profitable risk mitigation made it all the way to 2010 before ObamaCare arrived, right?
And that's why for-profit insurance should be outlawed by a single payer system. Each human life should be treated the same regardless of their health condition and not looked at as a "risk factor" when calculating one's bottom line.
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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There was an article in The Economist last week discussing how popular the ACA is in deep-red Trump country in Idaho. For all their railing against it, it turns out rural conservatives quite like many of the things the ACA brings to the table.
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I mean... it only confirms what we already know as the status quo: many conservatives are just plain stupid. lol (i.e. Trump country were mostly uneducated folks voting in favor)
Some years ago (I am thinking 2014 or so) a study was done asking people in rural areas what they thought of 'Obama'care … they generally hated it with some passion.

Then, elements of something called the "Affordable Care Act" were explained to them, things that were actually already part of the ACA. They loved it. Yes, they could support something like that "Affordable Care Act" if it was enacted, but they hated that Obamacare.

Today there is less likely to be confusion about it but the fact remains many people like what Obamacare has tried to do for them, and now people are realizing that their beloved party has been out to screw them in their ignorance.

Such is the power of the propaganda paid for by the dark money of Republican SuperPACS. Yes, they know their audience. They know they can lie to their most ardent supporters, so they do lie.
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Most Trump supporters are uneducated, low-income workers in their 50s and 60s. Many of them can't think for themselves.

They are unware that getting rid of preexisting conditions would go directly against their own best interests.

Why do so many people support Trump again???

Because ALL Trump supporters are SMART enough to see thru liberal BS. Most Trump haters are insufferable anti freedom, POS scum
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