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Old 11-03-2018, 09:16 PM
 
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Coming from that same woman who took pics with our enemies in Vietnam
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:19 PM
 
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Lol you’re sooooooooo easily triggered.


Your attempt to obfuscate isn’t working.
Obfuscation is quite accurate.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:42 PM
 
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You know this for fact: "all the neo-Nazis at the Trump rally...were all Trump supporters and voted for him.?"
Wow. So much for a secret ballot.
How, exactly, did you verify all of this information?

David Duke of the KKK was one of the featured speakers at the Unite The Right march in Cahrlottesville. Duke said "We are marching to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump."

Jason Kessler, a prominent white supremacist and outspoken Trump supporter, was head organizer of Unite The Right.

Richard Spencer, another prominent white nationalist was recorded giving the Nazi salute to Trump in Charlottesville along with a crowd of white nationalists who did the same.

What does that tell you about who Trump's supporters are?
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:14 PM
 
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White Supremacy = Aryan Supremacy
Use of rhetoric (lies) propaganda and rallies in which the leader appears Mad at many groups of "others".

Knowing they have only a minority of citizens behind them, yet ignoring the vast majority of citizens they are supposed to represent.

Heavy use of scapegoating....to no end, always and consistently.
Never wrong - by definition, any opinions they have and make are correct.

Government by decree rather than the American process of laws.

Anti-intellectual.
Might is Right - nothing else matters.....

Now, here are some major differences........

Hitler cared about Germany and the German people.

Hitler accomplished great infrastructure and other reforms.

Hitler hated Russia (Trump loves them and their money and influence).

Hitler was sincere (mentally ill, mad, evil, but sincere).

Hitler was not a coward, served and was not scared of bullets. Trump....well, I think we know otherwise.

In the scheme of history, there is little doubt that Germany was Right-Wing Authoritarian. Russia was left-wing Authoritarian. Current Trump supporters are Right Wing Authoritarian.

Neither are positive traits. I'd say that in Russia the people fooled themselves into thinking that the ends were worth the means...that is the real problem with so-called communism. People don't need much prodding to become or stay part of the system. They cannot avoid it.

In Germany it was mass madness of a relatively few Right Wing Authoritarians (Hitler and Crew) and it so happened that it was a "law and order" and "militarily based" culture, so most everyone conscripted into the mess did their jobs as "Patriots".

It's important to see things as they are. That doesn't mean that one is always better or worse than another - after all, Uncle Joe killed many more Russians than Hitler did.

If we look around the world today we'd say that Vietnam and China and Europe have governments that are on the left. We'd say Duerte and Kim are Right Wing Authoritarians, although NK was forged by China and Russia, the country they ended up building is a totalitarian dictatorship where one person holds all the power. This is not the case in China or Vietnam.

In the end if you are on the extremist end of a bullet you really don't stop to think which political angle is being represented. For example, Islamic terrorism is certainly authoritarian. No one can say Saudis are leftists.....religious fundamentalism is almost always to the right.

Japan WWII - a right wing militaristic (suprematist) regime. We, the USA, were the leftists in that conflict, standing for Civil Rights, Liberty, Peace and the Rights of Man.

None of these are perfect boxes. Still, no doubt Trump supporters are right wing authoritarians (in general). They was him to fix things for them, which is exactly the definition almost word for word.
Do you actually beleive this. Wow..
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:21 PM
 
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David Duke of the KKK was one of the featured speakers at the Unite The Right march in Cahrlottesville. Duke said "We are marching to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump."

Jason Kessler, a prominent white supremacist and outspoken Trump supporter, was head organizer of Unite The Right.

Richard Spencer, another prominent white nationalist was recorded giving the Nazi salute to Trump in Charlottesville along with a crowd of white nationalists who did the same.

What does that tell you about who Trump's supporters are?
Any Supremacist is bad, but why Nationalist? Why are people thinking a Nationalist is a bad thing. Nationalist is not about race, its about country and such..
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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But Trump LOVING the NK Dictator and elevating him HIGH on the world stage is somehow better? Or loving Putin or Duerte, both of whom are dictatorial murderers?

Any reading of history shows that we did wrong in Vietnam. It was one big mistake after another. We were against the Freedom Fighters. We slaughtered MILLION for basically nothing.

When put into that perspective, the travels of one Movie Star seem to lessen.
WTF are you talking about?
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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LOL Trump called white supremacists "fine people" according to your own quote.

I suggest you go to school and learn some reading comprehension. There's a reason why all the neo-Nazis at the Trump rally where Heather Heyer was murdered were all Trump supporters and voted for him.
Media took it out of context, as he was going back and forth with a journalist.
"TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Once again, media twists things. If he had said the Black Panthers were good people, you would not say anything, and they are just like the KKK.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...nscript-241662
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:35 PM
 
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In a sense - she was right.

If an American commander tells his soldiers to shoot or bomb innocent civilians and some troops say "no" are they bad or good?

I'm reading a book right now about a Police Unit in Germany made up of everyday joes - mostly middle aged. They were working men before being called up. Sent to Poland, they were used to murder 10's of thousands of jews (close range shooting them in the neck and head) and also putting 100's of thousands on trains to the death camps.

Some of them, a decent number, told their commanders they couldn't and wouldn't do it. The Commanders gave them other assignments. Some even asked to be sent back to Hamburg ,where they were from...and had their wishes granted with no black marks on their record.

So, who are the good guys here? The "Good Germans" who followed orders and did their parts? or those who insisted their own conscience was King?

We can take this question right up to TODAY. The Pentagon has said it will not send 15,000 armed troops to the border to provide fake security. Yet Trump is the commander in Chief. Are the Pentagon now acting as "Hanoi Janes" by trying to avoid a wrong?
It's 2018.

Might want to take note.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:36 PM
 
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Any Supremacist is bad, but why Nationalist? Why are people thinking a Nationalist is a bad thing. Nationalist is not about race, its about country and such..
According to the left, you can't be patriotic about a country that has police brutality and oppresses minorities
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:39 PM
 
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Trump said neo-Nazis and skinheads are 'good people' after they murdered a young woman in cold blood.
Trump is cozy with Putin, Kim Jong-Il and other dictators. Trump openly advocates violence against journalists and his political opponents. The comparison to Hitler is indeed accurate, not hyperbole. Trump is an out of control lunatic.
He never said that.

Cozy?

Who gave Iran (but, buuuut, buuuuuut...it was "THEIR MONEY") how much? You know, Iran.



The only out of control lunatics are the left who make **** up day in and day out, week after week, month after month, year after year....and actually believe the **** they spew.

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