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Old 11-03-2018, 09:26 AM
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Many have lost faith in the government and do not trust much about society in general. I would say you combine those two things, real in the minds of many, and that is a good reason to own a weapon. More of a necessity than anything else.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
The American Revolution happened in part BECAUSE of gun control. In April 1776 British troops marched from Boston to Concord and Lexington, for the purpose of confiscating the colonists' guns. A few colonists found out, and rode ahead of them to spread the warning. The colonists finally had enough of it, confronted the British troops, and fired the first shots of the Revolutionary War.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Many have lost faith in the government and do not trust much about society in general. I would say you combine those two things, real in the minds of many, and that is a good reason to own a weapon. More of a necessity than anything else.
My guns are first for hunting, second target shooting and third for protection. Sadly I have had to use the third one twice, so I am glad my state allows me to carry for protection.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Excellent job of parroting the NRA`s nonsensical talking points. Have yourself a cracker.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute any of them. But I hate them anyway, so I'll call them names, call the NRA names, attack the messenger instead, and hope that somebody believes me somewhere.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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The American Revolution happened in part BECAUSE of gun control. In April 1776 British troops marched from Boston to Concord and Lexington, for the purpose of confiscating the colonists' guns. A few colonists found out, and rode ahead of them to spread the warning. The colonists finally had enough of it, and fired the first shots of the Revolutionary War.
Gun control laws only work on the law abiding. At that point the Colonists became criminals against the Crown, and rightfully so. Governments are often malevolent, overbearing, and over controlling institutions. We are getting to that point again to some extent. I am not advocating violence, but all powerful, big government is corrupt. Just because something has the stamp of "government" on it, doesn't mean it is right.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:33 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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26 Step FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.



Actually that should read:
An armed man is a person able to consent or not consent to be governed. An unarmed man is a citizen/subject, so shut up, sit down, pay and obey.






The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (taxes, etc).
However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the American people (noncitizens) who did not consent to be governed.

BUT if you consented, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
WHY?
BECAUSE Citizens are NOT sovereigns
"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
So which one are you?


Ref: Lessons from Jetgraphics.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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TRANSLATION: I can't refute any of them. But I hate them anyway, so I'll call them names, call the NRA names, attack the messenger instead, and hope that somebody believes me somewhere.
I`ll refute #1 and I don`t have the time or desire to debate all of your bumper sticker slogans. I`m unarmed and I`m no more of a subject than you are. Actually I seem to be much more free than you are because I`m not afraid to leave my home without a gun. You`re afraid but I`m not.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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When Obama gave the CDC $10,000,000 to study gun violence

Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:

2. Defensive uses of guns are common: "...more than 3 million per year…"

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
How many criminals intent on victimizing somebody, decided not to because they found out their intended victim(s) might be armed? Crime is significantly reduced every time this happens, usually without a shot being fired. But often no one even knows it happened... except for the silently discouraged criminal.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: USA
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^^^^^Good point. The places that criminals know where law abiding citizens are ALLOWED to be armed, are much safer. Gun free zones invite violent criminals.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Actually I seem to be much more free than you are because I`m not afraid to leave my home without a gun. You`re afraid but I`m not.
How long have you believed that telling a lie about someone you don't even know "refutes" anything besides your own integrity?

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I don`t have the time or desire to debate all of your bumper sticker slogans.
That sound you all just heard was little gmagoo scurrying away from the debate with his tail tucked tightly between his hind legs, calling insults over his shoulder as he disappears over the horizon.
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