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Old 11-03-2018, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Reagan would never stand a chance at being elected today. He would be labeled a rhino and war monger by Trump supporters. Same with Bush.
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Nope! 40% are visa over stayers while 60% are border jumpers. Trump is focusing on both. How is it a waste to protect our border from the latter? Since we have had millions breach our southern border then a wall will help curb that. A bi-partisan congress already approved it back in 2006 for 700 miles on the most porous areas of the border but it was never built nor funded. It's also the right who wants border security, opposes sanctuary cities, doesn't want ICE abolished and illegal aliens already here deported (no amnesty) that get those labels placed on them.
Spending billions on the wall with save us ten of billions in the health care sector alone.
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Reagan would never stand a chance at being elected today. He would be labeled a rhino and war monger by Trump supporters. Same with Bush.
And Bill Clinton would be labeled a xenophobic, homophobic, racist, misogynist, who takes welfare away from poor people.

So what’s your point?
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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Reagan would never stand a chance at being elected today. He would be labeled a rhino and war monger by Trump supporters. Same with Bush.

Actually, I would just object to their immigration policies.
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Old 11-03-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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Spending billions on the wall with save us ten of billions in the health care sector alone.
I don't mind the sharing of opinion, but when it comes to facts, statistics, numbers..., some back-up to validate the information should be included. Don't you think? Unless of course you are just wanting to throw out opinion as if we're all supposed to assume you are some sort of truth-sayer or something.

Cost-benefit analysis

Aviva Chomsky, a professor at Salem State College, states that "Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast...have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of."

National Public Radio (NPR) wrote in 2006: "Supporters of a crackdown argue that the U.S. economy would benefit if illegal immigrants were to leave, because U.S. employers would be forced to raise wages to attract American workers. Critics of this approach say the loss of illegal immigrants would stall the U.S. economy, saying illegal workers do many jobs few native-born Americans will do."

Professor of Law Francine Lipman writes that the belief that illegal migrants are exploiting the US economy and that they cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false".[37] Lipman asserts that "illegal immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom..._United_States

I also don't mind you take issue with whatever source of facts we might consider, but then too, please at least provide what facts and source might better serve. I mean SOMETHING. At least.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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Define America.

My conception of America is not your conception of America. What you think America is, I hate. And what I think America is, you hate. So when I say you hate America, I'm really saying that you hate my conception of America. Which you reject because you love your conception of America.

So which is the "Real America"?

Both, and neither.



George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan were making geopolitical and economic arguments, it had absolutely nothing to do with civil or social policy.

In-effect, Ronald Reagan says that opening the border with Mexico would be good for America in terms of our relationships with other Latin-American countries. Or in-effect, immigration is good for America.


The disconnect people have, is that people imagine that they are America. Thus, if something is good for America, it is supposed be good for them. But most of the things America does is to the detriment of the vast-majority of the people who live in this country, especially when it comes to immigration.

Which is why organized-labor has been opposed to effectively all immigration since it came into existence. And the high-time of labor(and America generally) was in the years between 1924 and 1965, when there was effectively zero immigration to the United States.


As the world globalized, America globalized. But who benefits?
The mid-20th century was largely a fluke in that the the rest of the world was rebuilding from a really bad war. There was no real competition.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The mid-20th century was largely a fluke in that the the rest of the world was rebuilding from a really bad war. There was no real competition.
I agree. But what is America?

America is an economy. And that is all it has ever been. And since America is an economy, then whatever is good for the economy, is good for America.

Is immigration good for the economy? Then it shall be done. At least, in the exact ways, and in the exact proportions of its benefits to the economy.


So who cares about immigration? Your opinion simply doesn't matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzr3AOtFA8o
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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I can assure you I don't "hate America."
I think you might have missed the point by that other poster.

Regardless, I suspect you do not hate America either, but many on the left are malcontents, and no matter how much better is than other countries, or even better than we use to be, you all are still making mole hills into mountains.
Fro example, race relations were much better in the past (despite it being tougher on minorities back then) than they are now.
Never in my lifetime have black people been more grievance oriented than they are since the supposed "post racial president" took office.
Sadly Obama is a proved divider, not a uniting force for race relations.
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Yeah, but don't you realize labeling liberals as "racist" and "personal enemies" is part of the reason nothing ever gets done?
You mean doing exactly what liberals have been doing for years. You liberals have been calling anyone who disagrees a racist/fascist/homophobe/misogynist/Islamophobe/<insert>ist/<insert>phobe for MANY years. Liberal hypocrites have proven beyond any doubt that they don't actually want unity, tolerance and inclusivity in the US. They want their way, period, with no dissent what so ever.
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Old 11-03-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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I don't mind the sharing of opinion, but when it comes to facts, statistics, numbers..., some back-up to validate the information should be included. Don't you think? Unless of course you are just wanting to throw out opinion as if we're all supposed to assume you are some sort of truth-sayer or something.

Cost-benefit analysis

Aviva Chomsky, a professor at Salem State College, states that "Early studies in California and in the Southwest and in the Southeast...have come to the same conclusions. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of."

National Public Radio (NPR) wrote in 2006: "Supporters of a crackdown argue that the U.S. economy would benefit if illegal immigrants were to leave, because U.S. employers would be forced to raise wages to attract American workers. Critics of this approach say the loss of illegal immigrants would stall the U.S. economy, saying illegal workers do many jobs few native-born Americans will do."

Professor of Law Francine Lipman writes that the belief that illegal migrants are exploiting the US economy and that they cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false".[37] Lipman asserts that "illegal immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom..._United_States

I also don't mind you take issue with whatever source of facts we might consider, but then too, please at least provide what facts and source might better serve. I mean SOMETHING. At least.
You can’t use facts with Trumpers. They have their own alternative facts, but I give you credit for the attempt.
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