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Old Yesterday, 08:12 PM
 
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Asian Americans historically faced more discrimination than any group
Come on, OP, that's a ridiculous claim.
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Old Yesterday, 08:22 PM
 
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The new fake minority groups that we have today are inventing victim narratives that never actually happened to them and using it to make political claims. "We were more discriminated than blacks, why are they complaining?"

Totally made up stories. In the context of the segregated south, all of these groups (Mexicans, Chinese, Arabs, etc) used to scream that they were white. Fought legal battles to be white, and were never politically allied with blacks or the civil rights movement.

Now that the political climate is different, and it's beneficial to be a discriminated minority, they are fabricating histories of victimhood. Total bullsh*t stories! "Irish people were slaves!", "Mexicans were segregated with blacks!", "Asians were the were the most discriminated group in history!". Complete lies.
Well hispanics did have to fight for their rights aswell. Thats why I hate the racist Mexican attitude.
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Old Yesterday, 09:09 PM
 
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Well hispanics did have to fight for their rights aswell.
Mexicans fought for their rights as WHITE. They weren't fighting for the rights of minorities.

When some Mexican children were being forced into remedial schools for spanish speakers, they said that's wrong because Mexicans are white and they aren't supposed to be in separate schools. They weren't fighting school segregation for minorities.

They didn't reinvent themselves as minorities until the 70s ("Chicano Power!") - long after the civil rights movement was over. And that was for the purpose of getting all the federal funding and legal protections guaranteed by the civil rights act.
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Old Yesterday, 09:32 PM
 
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Mexicans fought for their rights as WHITE. They weren't fighting for the rights of minorities.

When some Mexican children were being forced into remedial schools for spanish speakers, they said that's wrong because Mexicans are white and they aren't supposed to be in separate schools. They weren't fighting school segregation for minorities.

They didn't reinvent themselves as minorities until the 70s ("Chicano Power!") - long after the civil rights movement was over. And that was for the purpose of getting all the federal funding and legal protections guaranteed by the civil rights act.
Or we realized trying to be white didn't mean white folks would like us. Not saying that all white folks are hateful towards us but when your looked down upon, the worst thing you can do is try to please those that don't like you no matter what.
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Old Yesterday, 09:38 PM
 
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OTOH, trying to paint Asian Americans as passive, uncomplaining people who don't take a stand when something goes bad is simply untrue. Like test Supreme Court cases, to name a few.
In Mississippi, "Asian-Americans" fought legal battles to be classified as white so they could go to white schools. Some even joined white supremacist organizations.

That's "taking a stand" against discrimination?
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Old Yesterday, 09:46 PM
 
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Yes, all people of color suffered horribly from discrimination in the 19th century. Perhaps a case could be made that blacks were treated the worst (slavery) or Indians (mass slaughters). But Asians were the only group for which total banishment was a goal.
There is no "perhaps" about it.

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian" and being forced out of your traditional homeland is a heck of a lot worse than, "You can't come here."

Genocide is clearly worse than not being allowed to immigrate--Chinese did, after all, still have China.
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Old Yesterday, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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In fact, they are having to sue just to get equal access to colleges--in 2018!

Following the Civil War, the very existence of blacks, Indians, and Hispanics was at least grudgingly accepted. But there were numerous efforts to completely banish Asians. It was thought that they were incapable of assimilation. On Nov 3, 1885, Tacoma, WA, then still vying with Seattle for regional dominance, expelled all Chinese. The local paper suggested that the date should become an annual holiday to celebrate. California law prohibited marriage between whites and 'Mongolians,' until 1948!

Stanford historian Richard White writes:


And of course there was the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. No other group ever faced a similar attack in all of US history.

Yet today we see little help coming from government for Asians as with other people of color. Democrats have given Asian Americans short shrift when it comes help. Not surprisingly, Asian Americans are not nearly the solid voting block for democrats as African Americans are. In the 2014 midterms, Asian Americans actually voted over 50% for Republicans. Hillary Clinton got 89% of the black vote, and only 65% of the Asian vote. This needs to become an area of focus for Democrats in the coming years.
Racism against Asians has been around for hundreds of years. It was very common during WWII, the Korean War, and Vietnam War. The slurs are "g--k", "ch--k", etc. The Vietnam War had a lot of racial tension. Read the book "Nam" by Mark Baker and it becomes obvious quickly. Watch the village scene in "Platoon".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEuCJFccAsI

Where I draw the line is sheer number. The Asian population has the advantage of extreme size. In historical generalizations, sometimes the population demographics get left out. Statistical distributions that apply to popluations like the normal distribution, the F-distribution, the Weibull distribution, etc. should not be ignored.

The point is that in terms of sheer number Asians have a "buffer". In the case of Native Americans, many, many tribes were completely killed off or assimilated 100% to the point where the people and culture are gone - over 95% of the population since 1492. Meanwhile, there are still billions of Asians in the world. You are ignoring that statistic. A good example if Florida. Around 1491 the historians estimate there were over 100,000 indigenous tribes in the area. By 1860 there were only 300 Seminoles left.

With that said, the racism against Asians is real but not one directional. One of the most tragic demographic groups to suffer racism from both whites and Asians would be the Amerasians - children of Vietnamese mothers and American fathers abandoned in orphanages at the end of the Vietnam War. The fathers left them behind and returned to America. The mothers rejected them. They were called the "Children of the Dust" - a very harsh example of social rejection and racism from both sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5c1SeFR3Ss
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Old Today, 12:11 AM
 
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In Mississippi, "Asian-Americans" fought legal battles to be classified as white so they could go to white schools. Some even joined white supremacist organizations.

That's "taking a stand" against discrimination?
You probably should be talking to Tom Lennox 70 who is an Asian American in the South who has become a chicken-fried redneck in political ideology. I call him out all the time for his reactionary screeds. You should too.

That's not my experience in California, where many of us live.

Anyway, you seem to pick fights with other people of color all the time. Especially Latinos. Look, I'm not going to get into a p****** contest in the Oppression Olympics with you.
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Old Today, 12:14 AM
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The government creates a victim culture. Asians don't want to be victims and don't need to play that card. It's sad that democrats, who pride themselves as the anti-discrimination party, discriminate more against Asians than any other major party discriminates against any other group of people today.
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Old Today, 12:18 AM
 
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The government creates a victim culture. Asians don't want to be victims and don't need to play that card. It's sad that democrats, who pride themselves as the anti-discrimination party, discriminate more against Asians than any other major party discriminates against any other group of people today.
And what kind of nonsense rubbish are you talking about? Cites, please.
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