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Old 11-07-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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SJW's? Geezus... There were democrats in the 80's just like there are today they were not that much different, what is different is that our current President does not understand compromise or negotiation, it's all about him, not our nation.
I and most of the forum would disagree that there is a big difference in today's {D}s then in the 80's I would also add the {R} party has changed too.

As far as a Reagan/O Neil get along and passing legislation I do not see that repeated now or in my life time.
I do not see Trump and Pelosi working together and doing anything and that is the problem neither one really want to. What would their constituents think? Pelosi working with Trump, and Trump working with Pelosi?

If there is going to be a Reagan/O Neal repeat love fest Pelosi would have to go and the {D}s would need to pick a true moderate and a real leader.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Ronald Reagan was the Great Communicator who often disagreed with Tip O'Neill on policy, but treated him with respect and used his skills as a former Union leader to find constructive common ground. Reagan often appealed to Americans directly to keep them informed of how his policy decisions was made with the best interests of every American by delivering eloquent messaging of an optimistic future (think "its morning in America") without unnecessarily demonizing anyone, even the Soviets. He also recognized, acknowledged, and learned from his mistakes (see, tax increases) and heavily valued introspection and self-awareness. He was personally liked by most, even those who disagreed with him. He relied heavily on the advice of seasoned policy advisors, not going with his "gut" feeling but instead extensively consulting them and weighing their opinions.

That is what enabled him to successfully navigate policy decisions despite Democrat control of the House. Which one of those qualities and attributes would you ascribe to the current occupant of the White House?

Well we can't ascribe that quality to the current occupant of the White House, he never makes mistakes, just ask him. That is besides his 'Best people' who've nearly required the installation of a revolving door in the White House.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:29 AM
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Location: On the Border
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Before Newt President Reagan used to bash the Democrats with huge waves of normal people demanding that the Democrat majorities quit stonewalling Republicans and do instead what the Republicans wanted. And after months and years of the people pummeling the Democrats they finally caved and passed Reagan's initiatives - to the benefit of the entire country, and more freedom around the world.
Prodigiously selective memory you have there.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Reagan was experienced and popular. People liked him personally. Trump is a nasty prick who loves fighting and confrontation. Trump knows nothing about leading. He is in it for himself and everyone knows it--nobody is going out of their way for this oaf.
I agree. That's why his fans love him.
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Great theory except for the fact that Trump isn't Reagan...
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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Trump never had the house. It was full of neocon Rinos closer in thinking to the neoliberal wing of the democrats. So its really little different than it was.
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Reagan worked because he was able to sell a vision of a successful America built on compromise under his leadership. The current political environment is one of winning. Every decision has to have a winner and a loser, rather than abiding by the thought that a rising tide floats all ships.
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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Yes, he passed the first restrictions on guns and ballooned the deficit. Not very good.
"He" ballooned the deficit? Who controlled congress? It was a spending problem and the Dems were responsible.
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Reagan was experienced and popular. People liked him personally. Trump is a nasty prick who loves fighting and confrontation. Trump knows nothing about leading. He is in it for himself and everyone knows it--nobody is going out of their way for this oaf.
We in the Executive Branch loved the hell out of Reagan, even if we were Democrats. He was a wonderful and masterful leader. If there were any holes in his plans, we covered them. What he wanted to work, we made it work. We pretty much would have gladly followed him into any silly situation he led us.
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Reagan was a skillful politicians whereas Trump is ten pounds of ish in a five pound bag. Reagan knew how to work with the other side of the aisle. Trump can barely work with his own side.
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