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How many times have people on this forum commented that if people simply obeyed the police--no problem?
Doesn't matter why they are questioning you. Just do what they say right?
Isn't this the authoritarian advice strongly advocated by many on the forum to all those people who have been shot by the police?
Cooperate with the police. Don't shoot at them. Easy.
Sorry, you aren't making an apples to apples comparison. The cops weren't there to question him. They approached him at his house to take action against his constitutional right to bear arms when he had not committed a crime.
He shouldn't have reacted the way that he did, because he risked his life to do it. However questioning a citizen and physical action against his constitutional right, the latter for admittedly no crime, when they knock on your door are two different things.
Hollywood made a movie some years back, starring Tom Cruise I think, about a police "Department of Pre-crime" that could arrest people because some weird psychics predicted that, though the people had committed no crime, they soon would.
Part of the point of the movie was that the weird psychics were sometimes wrong, but the police went in SWAT-style and arrested the suspects anyway, and sometimes killed them.
That movie was fictional.
Until now.
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
Now?
Ct has had a similar law for nearly 20 years.
Indiana has had a similar law nearly as long.
There is no such thing as a pre - crime arrest, whatever law you are reading, please post it, not just an article quote.
Well, that doesnt apply if police are there for the purpose of violating his constitutional rights.
In that case, it would be WRONG to obey and comply with police.
Ive said this before on other threads...As American citizens, we are NEVER to obey or comply with unconstitutional laws or regulations!
Similar laws have been on the books of some states nearly 20 years.
The SCOTUS, is the final word on what is constitutional, or not.
Had this guy chosen to comply with the court order, he would be alive. He would have been given a prompt hearing and an opportunity to show he was not a danger to himself or anyone else.
I dont care if police have a court order or not...if they are attempting to do something that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, shooting at them would be the logical and appropriate thing to do imo, it may sound crazy or bizarre, but that is what patriotism is and what it requires from time to time.
It does sound a tad crazy and bizarre. Shooting at the Police does not sound logical or appropriate.
I am unaware any lower court or SCOTUS has ruled state laws like this are unconstitutional. Similar laws have been on state books for nearly 20 years.
A more rational response would have been complying with the TEMPORARY order and finding a credible and competent law firm willing to challenge the constitutionality of the law in the courts. Instead, he chose to discharge his fire arm.
LE was doing their job to enforce the court order to TEMPORARILY confiscate his gun.
Had he reacted differently, there would have been a hearing and opportunity to tell his story.
None of us know what evidence was supplied to the court to persuade a judge to TEMPORARILY remove his gun.
Most people do not choose to answer their door, gun in hand, when they see officers standing outside.
He may have been suicidal and suicide by cop was the outcome.
Im assuming he probably knew why police were there, and since they were attempting to violate his rights, imo, he acted appropriately and did the right thing ultimately.
This whole idea of complying with police and allowing them to do what they are wanting, and then fighting the matter in court, is ridiculous imo...if they are attempting something that is unconstitutional, no one should give up their rights, even temporarily...'temporarily' is a very slippery slope.
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