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Old 11-09-2018, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Nanny Goat View Post
I don't believe the problem is futile. Just leaders who refuse to do what they should for the safety of the public. It's probably a combination of changing gun laws, more mental health and education and other things that might help.
Mental health is a red herring.

Less than 10% of violent criminals have a mental health problem (by both legal and psychiatric criteria). Mass shooters are an even smaller percentage.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:14 AM
 
Location: MS
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Who sold them guns?

Gun-free liberals or gun-nut right-wingers??? I'll give you one guess.

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They get them by stealing them from "free" states and illegally selling them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/1498314002/


They have family, friends and even associates with clean records buy the guns and carry them back. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...b05-story.html


While not covered in those articles, one of the Cleveland, MS pawn shop owners cooperated with the BATFE and a few of the straw buyers were arrested and prosecuted. A few weeks later he was brutally murdered while at work. No one has ever been charged in his death.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:58 AM
 
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They get them by stealing them from "free" states and illegally selling them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/1498314002/


They have family, friends and even associates with clean records buy the guns and carry them back. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...b05-story.html


While not covered in those articles, one of the Cleveland, MS pawn shop owners cooperated with the BATFE and a few of the straw buyers were arrested and prosecuted. A few weeks later he was brutally murdered while at work. No one has ever been charged in his death.
Don't forget that the military "misplaces" thousands of guns yearly. That is written off as "acceptable."
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Who sold them guns?

Gun-free liberals or gun-nut right-wingers??? I'll give you one guess.

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You think no libs that live in big cities own firearms? If you would hit any local gun range in LA you'd get your answer.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Since when are the gangbangers and their gun runners right-wing? I hardly think the blacks who dominate the majority of gun homicide stats are right-wingers.
That is pretty funny huh. Guys slingin drugs on a porch in s side chicago are republicans
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Old 11-09-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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This morning there was yet another mass shooting in California. One little fact I pulled out of the news coverage for this was that the gun involved was legally purchased in California. This brings up an inconvenient fact for gun control proponents.

California has some of the strictest gun control in the country. It's gun control laws are a model of what the left wing gun control advocates want to foist on the country as a while. But now we've had the third (at least) mass shooting where the gun(s) used were legally purchased in CA, under it's gun control laws. The other two are San Bernadino and Isla Vista.

The reason this is a major point of the failure of gun control is that gun grabbers in liberal states complain that other states more reasonable gun laws allow guns to come into the hard core gun control states, and cause the killings. This was plainly not the case in these events. So it goes to show that even if CA's laws were implemented at the federal level, they'd have little or no effect in reducing mass shootings.

The Isla Vista shooting is also instructive in evaluating the effectiveness of another pet policy of gun control advocates. They want to screen people buying or owning guns for mental instability, and try and take away their guns. AFAIK CA allows for this. In Isla Vista, the shooter popped up on the local law enforcement's radar. They interviewed the guy not long before the shooting, and took no action. So this speaks to the effectiveness (or lack thereof.)
Lol @ any state in the Union being considered "strict" on gun control.
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Old 11-09-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The thing that's most frustrating is that we always hear that "no one wants to take the guns" yet it's proven time and time again that they do.

The laws in California are the strictest in the nation, yet that's not enough. They want to take more and more away. Eventually we'll be left with single shot 22 rifles and when someone shoots a bunch of people with that type of firearm, they'll take those away too.
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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Compared to other states? Yes. If you look at things done at the state level as experiments for what can be done at the national level, this is important.

If anyone thinks they can turn the US into a European country, they're deluded.

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Lol @ any state in the Union being considered "strict" on gun control.
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Since when are the gangbangers and their gun runners right-wing? I hardly think the blacks who dominate the majority of gun homicide stats are right-wingers.

Who is at the very initial transaction selling that gun to a gangbanger or a strawbuyer? It's some gun shop or some gun nut, aka a right-winger.
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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You think no libs that live in big cities own firearms? If you would hit any local gun range in LA you'd get your answer.

They may own firearms, but highly unlikely they open up gun shops and sell guns.

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