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Old 11-13-2018, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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yeah lets blame trump for thing that should be laid at the feet of those running the VA instead. we cannot lay the blame for everything that goes wrong in government at the feet of the president, even though we would like to. we have to lay the blame where it belongs, to those doing the day to day operations at the VA.
What is going on at the VA two years into the Trump presidency is a clear reflection of the attitude that the office-holder has for the agency and its constituents.
That has never been so clear as this week.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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According to the link, there are 45,000(!) unfilled positions at the VA.
There is no CIO since the last one left after Trump's election.
The IT issues were known before the legislation was signed.

It's no secret that Trump wants to privatize the VA.
That he hasn't expended any energy delegating responsibility to anyone to ensure that things run smoothly is completely obvious and is completely on him.
Bingo.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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I wouldn't, it doesn't affect Trump, it's more important the 1% get their tax cuts.
Sadly, that's exactly what it is.

"Love and support the troops!" is what Trump always screams at his rallies, because it plays well with his base.

But does Donald Trump himself care about the troops? Hell no.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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yeah lets blame trump for thing that should be laid at the feet of those running the VA instead. we cannot lay the blame for everything that goes wrong in government at the feet of the president, even though we would like to. we have to lay the blame where it belongs, to those doing the day to day operations at the VA.
Agreed

Reminds me of a poster who blamed commander
Brigadier General Julian D. Alford for Camp Lejeune housing problem.

Camp Lejeune Families need Help!!!

It is seriously understandable to blame one person, but it is a very complicated issue. I understand a lot of people don't like Trump, but in this situation, blaming Trump is simply not fair, just like it is unfair to blame ONE commander for the entire camp lejeune housing issue.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
According to the link, there are 45,000(!) unfilled positions at the VA.
There is no CIO since the last one left after Trump's election.
The IT issues were known before the legislation was signed.

It's no secret that Trump wants to privatize the VA.
That he hasn't expended any energy delegating responsibility to anyone to ensure that things run smoothly is completely obvious and is completely on him.
well, I don't blame any presidents for VA problem, so I can't agree with you.

I don't know what point you are trying to make. If you want to convince other people, fine. You don't need to convince me. like I said, I do not blame ANY presidents for VA problem.

They should not have an ongoing IT problem.
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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Not unjustified.
Clearly there was no due diligence done before he signed this.
Where is/was the personnel needed to upgrade the system to handle the increase in requests?
Why hasn’t it been addressed over a year later?
This country excels in IT development - surely there are engineers available who could have fixed this before it got to this point.

That it hasn’t is completely on Trump, just like it would have been on Obama if he was still president.
Why is this an issue for pretty much all government departments. The ACA for example has had this issue since day 1.
Have you ever dealt with the inefficiency of getting things done in a timely manner with any government agency under any administration?
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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yeah lets blame trump for thing that should be laid at the feet of those running the VA instead. we cannot lay the blame for everything that goes wrong in government at the feet of the president, even though we would like to. we have to lay the blame where it belongs, to those doing the day to day operations at the VA.
Exactly and that goes for all departments. That is why we have departments and department heads, directors, secretaries, assistance, committees, special committees, and so on and so forth.

Why is it that until this administration people understood that but since Trump took office it seems many believe that he personally runs and knows every detail and day to day operations of all the 400+ departments of the federal government and the state agencies.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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Not unjustified.
Clearly there was no due diligence done before he signed this.
Where is/was the personnel needed to upgrade the system to handle the increase in requests?
Why hasn’t it been addressed over a year later?
This country excels in IT development - surely there are engineers available who could have fixed this before it got to this point.

That it hasn’t is completely on Trump, just like it would have been on Obama if he was still president.
Little short on the memory stick.

Obama proved all that nonsense wrong when he hired them to fix the Obamacare web site costing billions.

The OP doesn't know what he's talking about either.
There is a big difference between non-payment and delayed payment.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I think this is a more systemic problem with the Trump administration. They seemed to have no one who really understood what the federal government was and how it worked right from the beginning.

A good read on this was "The Fifth Risk" by Michael Lewis. The book chronicles the transition team and the early days of the administration. It was months before high level jobs were filled if at all. Many were filled by people with little or no experience or knowledge of the what the department even did. This generally speaks to the low caliber of people attracted to and willing to work for Trump.

Trump and his administration have a tendency to announce something and I guess just assume it will be properly implemented. Anyone with experience in implementing change across a large corporation knows how hard this can be. Many federal departments are larger than our largest corporations.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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What is going on at the VA two years into the Trump presidency is a clear reflection of the attitude that the office-holder has for the agency and its constituents.
That has never been so clear as this week.

then we should be able to put all the problems of the VA during the obama year squarely at obama feet then according to you.
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