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Old 11-16-2018, 05:48 AM
 
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This is why Cortez will be up against a heavily funded opponent and smear campaign next time she enters the primaries.
Yes, Wall Street is upset about her, because she rejects their money, unlike 99% of the representatives on Capitol Hill, but her district is very likely to overwhelmingly re-elect her.

Why be so upset about that? We need something different than 100% puppets of Wall Street in Congress.
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yes, Wall Street is upset about her, because she rejects their money, unlike 99% of the representatives on Capitol Hill, but her district is very likely to overwhelmingly re-elect her.

Why be so upset about that? We need something different than 100% puppets of Wall Street in Congress.
People on CD love Wall Street and corruption.

They thing hedge fund managers are hardworking capitalists.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Rolling your eyes? I don't think so. She scares the **** out of you righties because you know that the causes she runs on are gaining popularity. Not so much that some of them will never come to fruition but the support for them are growing, things like Medicare for all and free college tuition. These two issues alone are going to be a factor in winning elections going forward.

Deny it all you want but it won't change the reality.
She is only gaining traction with the fringe lunatics. I’m a rightie and I’m not at all scared.
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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She is a SOCIALIST. One step away from a COMMUNIST. Anyone who voted for her deserves what they get -- please move to Cuba or other Socialist countries. See how you like that.
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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She is a SOCIALIST. One step away from a COMMUNIST. Anyone who voted for her deserves what they get -- please move to Cuba or other Socialist countries. See how you like that.
She's what's known in the UK a Champagne Socialist and in the US as a Limousine Socialist.

She can now trot around in her expensive designer clothes, whilst calling any one who gets in her way sexist or racist, whilst prentending to care about the common people.

If there is any sense of entitlement it's those from the left who feel so entitled to play the race card or sexism card rather than most honest hard working people.

Journalist criticised for 'sexist' Ocasio-Cortez tweet - BBC News
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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She is not a Socialist, she is a Social Democrat. Look it up, they are not the same. One believes in Capitalism the other doesn’t. Social Democrats are very liberal, but that doesn’t make them Socialist or Communist.
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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She is not a Socialist, she is a Social Democrat. Look it up, they are not the same. One believes in Capitalism the other doesn’t. Social Democrats are very liberal, but that doesn’t make them Socialist or Communist.
Yes, but that is too extreme to the far right imperialists on this forum.
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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She is not a Socialist, she is a Social Democrat. Look it up, they are not the same. One believes in Capitalism the other doesn’t. Social Democrats are very liberal, but that doesn’t make them Socialist or Communist.
Social Democrat lmao. A made up word like Progressives ALWAYS do when the real connotations of their previously used words come to light. A Social Democrat is a damn Socialist. Same animal.
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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She is not a Socialist, she is a Social Democrat. Look it up, they are not the same. One believes in Capitalism the other doesn’t. Social Democrats are very liberal, but that doesn’t make them Socialist or Communist.
eh... not quite


social democracy is a self-proclaimed international revolutionary socialist party, aiming to abolish capitalism by any means necessary -- including the ballot box.

Socialism from Below?

Thus electioneering results in the fight being carried out by means of leaders, in which the masses can play but a minor role. In practice it means a handful of individuals, the representatives, carry on the struggle on behalf of the masses. It can only lead to the illusion that others can do the fighting for us - regardless of the wishes of the leaders in question. Once radicals are elected the whole focal point of struggle changes. Rather than direct struggle against the state and the boss, this is no longer needed as the elected representatives will act or people will think they will act and so not act themselves. They have elected someone to fight for them and so do not need to fight themselves. If radicals are elected to fight for people, can we be surprised if people do not act themselves? The notion that reforms (indeed, the revolution) would be the work of leaders acting on behalf of the masses soon followed, with the masses reduced to voters and followers, not active participants in the struggle.

Moreover, socialist support for electioneering is somewhat at odds with their claims of being in favour of collective, mass action. There is nothing more isolated, atomised and individualistic than voting. It is the total opposite of collective struggle. The individual is alone before, during and after the act of voting. Unlike direct action, which, by its very nature, throws up new forms of organisation in order to manage and co-ordinate the struggle, voting creates no alternative organs of working class self-management. Nor can it. It is not based on, nor does it create, collective action or organisation. Given that socialists often slander anarchists as "individualists" the irony is delicious!

you do realize that socialism, social democracy, communism, nazisism, and fascism are all part of the same family.

look at the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.
As this listing suggests, fascism is flexible; different iterations differ in specifics but they share "emotional or instinctual impulses." Mussolini tweaked the socialist agenda to emphasize the state; Lenin made workers the vanguard party; Hitler added race. If the German version was militaristic, the American one which could be called liberal fascism is nearly pacifist.

The Social Democrats, USA is the same Socialist Party of America as is has been since August 1, 1901, an is LEFT WING. Social Democratic Party was originally founded June 11, 1898 as a direct political offshoot of the communalist Social Democracy of America (Labor Day Message of 1897 by Eugene Victor Debs). After a merger with the Socialist Party of America (1901) the party remained essentially the same although the named varied a few times. From 1900 (before its formal union) to 1912, the Socialist Party ran Eugene Debs for President at each election. The best showing ever for a Socialist ticket was in 1912, when Debs gained 901,551 total votes, or 6% of the popular vote. we are the party of Eugene Debs, Mother Jones, Helen Keller, Carl Sandburg, Norman Thomas, A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin.
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Philly
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you do realize that socialism, social democracy, communism, nazisism, and fascism are all part of the same family.

Swing and a miss. Hitler and the Nazis fought against socialists and leftists from the Spanish Civil War until the Soviets marched through Berlin.


Socialism and Communism are good.


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look at the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.

If you really want to know how socialists and communists felt about fascism, they wrote about it when fascism was on the rise in the '20s.


https://www.amazon.com/Fighting-Fasc.../dp/1608468526
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