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Old 11-19-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
And just like the other members of congress she wants to meddle in our lives and make decisions for us.
Clean energy, universal healthcare, and breaking up the banks gives you more freedom, not less.

 
Old 11-19-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Clean energy, universal healthcare, and breaking up the banks gives you more freedom, not less.
really? more freedom to pay for all that socialist crap huh? Give me a break..
 
Old 11-19-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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Clean energy, universal healthcare, and breaking up the banks gives you more freedom, not less.
She wants govt run energy, govt run healthcare, govt run banking (none of which should be confused with "better") and all of which means more govt, more taxes, more meddling and less freedom. Not to mention as 29 year old former bartender she has no knowledge or experience in any of those sectors. But she is not alone in that regard, congress as a total has little knowledge of anything it regulates or rules on and its why she is just as qualified as any other boob in the room for speaker of the house.
 
Old 11-19-2018, 08:23 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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You have to choose, either massive inequality or democracy. When inequality gets out of hand, the billionaire class will easily buy elections. They own the media, the courts and the politicians. Why choose oligarchy instead of democracy?
They already do. Unlike Kim Dung Bung of North Korea, our billionairs learned they can just buy the laws they want. No messy executions needed to get 80% of what they want and that is good enough.
 
Old 11-19-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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She's working to reverse climate change.
There is no reversing climate change. The climate will always change. We must take advantage of climate change, it will bring much good. Climate armageddonists assume all change is bad. Not true. A warmer planet will be a better planet. Will some humans have to migrate a bit and move off low lying islands and low lying coastal areas? Definitely. Moving is good for the soul. Man has always migrated based on climate and geography. No biggie. Pack up the bags, get on the boats, discover the world.
 
Old 11-19-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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Clean energy, universal healthcare, and breaking up the banks gives you more freedom, not less.
Nice. Amazing new freedoms being offered by the statist-collectivist-haters-enviers. Thanks, but no thanks. Run your own life, not mine.


ENVY based hatred is not a valid rationale for establishing or running a government.
 
Old 11-19-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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Nice. Amazing new freedoms being offered by the statist-collectivist-haters-enviers. Thanks, but no thanks. Run your own life, not mine.


ENVY based hatred is not a valid rationale for establishing or running a government.
Thats just what any medieval king and queen could say as well. What you are advocating is indeed statism, because you are advocating for pure neo-feudalism, with a tiny super rich elite steamrolling the masses. Are you a medieval king or queen looking down on the poor masses?

Or are you just a working stiff, carrying the water for the ruling class?
 
Old 11-19-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
She wants govt run energy, govt run healthcare, govt run banking (none of which should be confused with "better") and all of which means more govt, more taxes, more meddling and less freedom. Not to mention as 29 year old former bartender she has no knowledge or experience in any of those sectors. But she is not alone in that regard, congress as a total has little knowledge of anything it regulates or rules on and its why she is just as qualified as any other boob in the room for speaker of the house.
A more democratic society means that your parents' income is less relevant for your future than in your dream oligarchic society. You are advocating for dynastic wealth and aristocracy. This idea that if only the ruling economic elite get to demolish the government, they will have less power is laughable. They can create their own fiefdoms, buying judges and the courts and amass their own private armies. You as a working stiff dont stand a chance and you can scream "dont envy, taxation is theft" for as long as you want. They wouldnt care about your rants or attempts to brown-nose the elite.
 
Old 11-19-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
Clean energy, universal healthcare, and breaking up the banks gives you more freedom, not less.



Y'all had a chance to do that last time....

And what did you actually accomplish?

Putting a major FUBAR on half the county's health insurance, raising premiums and deductibles so high that people can't actually afford to use their policies that they had to buy....by law.


The ACA was nothing but a gift to insurance companies.

And clean energy?

Lol.....can you say Solyndra?
 
Old 11-19-2018, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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You have to choose, either massive inequality or democracy. When inequality gets out of hand, the billionaire class will easily buy elections. They own the media, the courts and the politicians. Why choose oligarchy instead of democracy?
Living in a democracy also means having the right to be successful if you put in the effort to do so. The left acts like there should be a limit on success, and if you do better than what they think you should do, well... that's when Ocasio-Cortez would be at your door with her hand out.
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