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Old 11-20-2018, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Democrats & the crooked MSM they believe without question hate the USA.
That's not any worse than nationalism that comes at major expense to the rest of the planet, so far as i can see.

Actually, it's probably better. I see potential problems stemming from nationalism at major expense for the rest of the planet. I don't really see any noteworthy problems coming from hating America, so long as no violence ensues.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:48 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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There is a difference between America first and "everyone else never" while being a doosh. The Great Pumpkin needs to learn tact.
Most certainly, although he and George W. Bush do reflect a large segment of the American population, the ones that voted for those individuals.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Japan
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I saw an NPR article that liberals were commenting on and saying things such as "No, it should be human beings first 🌍 ".

Absolutely crazy.

A country by definition puts itself citizens first. Otherwise, why even have a country?
The animal rights crowd will be on them for that.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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There is a difference between America first and "everyone else never" while being a doosh. The Great Pumpkin needs to learn tact.

Screw China.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Highly exaggerated presentation of the real situation.

The reality is that there is nothing wrong with our country having a clear identity and a strong coherent government.

Moving toward nationalism and isolationism is another story altogether.

When 60% of the goods that we consume are manufactured outside the USA, the idea that somehow the USA will be able to withdraw from the global marketplace is just a fantasy. This is one of the ideas that the isolationists babble about.

I can understand why our enemies like Russia would love for the USA to break ties with our NATO allies, another idea that the isolationists seem to support. I've not hear any logical argument explaining why that is an advantage for us.

Nationalism is a good thing. No one ever said anything about isolation. Maybe sense Obama is gone we could all strive to get off the "ism" bandwagon.
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:05 PM
 
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That's not any worse than nationalism that comes at major expense to the rest of the planet, so far as i can see.

Actually, it's probably better. I see potential problems stemming from nationalism at major expense for the rest of the planet. I don't really see any noteworthy problems coming from hating America, so long as no violence ensues.

Ahh. You hate America. I recommend that you go live somewhere else and save the "species" there. We don't mind.
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Nationalism is a good thing. No one ever said anything about isolation. Maybe sense Obama is gone we could all strive to get off the "ism" bandwagon.
Not always. Not if you treat the needs of the rest of the world as if they're close to irrelevant, definitely not in our current age where personal issues are becoming more and more trivial compared to impending issues relating to whether or not the species survives the next few centuries.

We need to be more concerned about global warming, environmentalism, clean water preservation and inventing technologies to de-salinate ocean water more cheaply, potential future concerns about automation rendering too many jobs obsolete, the national debt, debris in space, that sort of important stuff: the oncoming challenges that could very well make our current time period seem blissful in comparison, if we don't solve those problems well enough.

Compared to that, I hardly care whether or not we build Trump's wall or let in the Syrian immigrants. That's why I vote yes on every gas tax increase I see. I don't even know if it'll accomplish anything positive. I just assume it probably will. I'll also probably vote yes on anything I see that would assist in the increase in the number of nuclear power plants around...but I haven't seen anything like that in my state yet.

My biggest concern about the future is that America won't be doing that bad because of our immense land area and wealth, and hordes of immigrants will want to pour in because climate change and coastal flooding has rendered their countries uninhabitable, we won't let in any of them because we'll have become too nationalistic. If that sort of thing happens, I want us to let in several of them, not all of them, but some of them...enough that we feel pain so that we want to alter the state of the planet.

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Old 11-20-2018, 06:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I saw an NPR article that liberals were commenting on and saying things such as "No, it should be human beings first 🌍 ".

Absolutely crazy.

A country by definition puts itself citizens first. Otherwise, why even have a country?

Well then, please tell us HOW keeping Americans in Afghanistan or backing the Saudis in Yemen on the taxpayers' dime is doing anything for America and Americans?
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Not always. Not if you treat the needs of the rest of the world as if they're close to irrelevant, definitely not in our current age where personal issues are becoming more and more trivial compared to impending issues relating to whether or not the species survives the next few centuries.

We need to be more concerned about global warming, environmentalism, clean water preservation and inventing technologies to de-salinate ocean water more cheaply, potential future concerns about automation rendering too many jobs obsolete, the national debt, debris in space, that sort of important stuff: the oncoming challenges that could very well make our current time period seem blissful in comparison, if we don't solve those problems well enough.

Compared to that, I hardly care whether or not we build Trump's wall or let in the Syrian immigrants. That's why I vote yes on every gas tax increase I see. I don't even know if it'll accomplish anything positive. I just assume it probably will. I'll also probably vote yes on anything I see that would assist in the increase in the number of nuclear power plants around...but I haven't seen anything like that in my state yet.

My biggest concern about the future is that America won't be doing that bad because of our immense land area and wealth, and hordes of immigrants will want to pour in because climate change and coastal flooding has rendered their countries uninhabitable, we won't let in any of them because we'll have become too nationalistic. If that sort of thing happens, I want us to let in several of them, not all of them, but some of them...enough that we feel pain so that we want to alter the state of the planet.

Wow! Not much of a grip on reality right here.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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I saw an NPR article that liberals were commenting on and saying things such as "No, it should be human beings first 🌍 ".

Absolutely crazy.

A country by definition puts itself citizens first. Otherwise, why even have a country?
Bingo.
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