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Old 11-23-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Well I don't know if I would agree with that. If the undocumented weren't here then who would do all the jobs Americans don't want to, or how about these "illegals" who are paying taxes but will never see any return form SS?
people sucking on the gov ***** get the option to do those jobs or go without.
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Old 11-23-2018, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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How many democrats really want illegals jumping the border w/ no respect for our laws? And, to give them free health care when we have our own who have lousy or no health care, including trouble paying for their meds? I don't think most democrats really want that.
It would blow your mind if you knew everything that democrats would allow in exchange for 5 million more votes every election cycle for the next 100 years. That is about what they would get with open borders and the stork working overtime.
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Old 11-23-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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Bottom line they are here and at least for the foreseeable future they aren't going anywhere, this is just silly talk it reminds me of the old saying; "if your grandma had wheels she'd be a wagon"
And you keep resisting and resisting, why so many excuses to protect people that aren't even supposed to be here?
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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More nonsense. Medicare works just fine. And has reasonable overheads.

there is every reason to believe we could significantly cut the cost of providing health services and do a better job.
Medicare doesn’t work fine. Many good doctors don’t take Medicaire. And many that do don’t accept the Medicaire fee schedule. So screw “just fine”. I want a world class medical system where doctors earn what they are supposed to, not what some damnable bureaucrat decides is correct. Many doctors are burning out, many med students are carefully selecting specialties where they can charge good old fashioned cash. Medicare needs to be revoked, and older Americans should be able to privately buy health insurance under a system without any State intervention. Medical costs would be 1/2 what they are now, or maybe even 1/3, if the system were private and fully for-profit where supply and demand determine price. Medicaire is an utter disaster, VA medical care is an utter disaster, and so is every other form of State involvement in health care, and health insurance.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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people sucking on the gov ***** get the option to do those jobs or go without.
If there were no illegal aliens, pay rates for the “jobs that Americans don’t want” would rise until they became the “jobs that Americans do want.” We don’t need illegal aliens in this country, and should not allow them at all. If you are in my country, I demand that you be a legal citizen. Period.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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Let’s stop,with this utilitarian bs where we measure legality by financial contributions. I don’t care about the net financial gain or loss of illegal aliens, that is not the issue. It’s an issue of legality and vetting. The only people walking around this country and operating in our society should be legal citizens. No one else, unless they are granted asylum for humanitarian purposes on extremely strict guidelines. Like imminent death. Going broke and escaping your socialist economy DOES NOT QUALIFY.

When we let people in to our country from Socialist failed economies who do not speak English, we are basically committing a slow societal suicide. They end up voting for collectivist mentally disabled lawmakers like the dopey dumb ditzy dingbat. They vote for the same failed policies of their mother country, because they are not trained from childhood to respect freedom and individualism and capitalism.

That’s why our immigration policy needs to be merit-based. We should only be admitting people who are conversant with and willing to defend Capitalism, individual liberty, freedom, and personal responsibility. They also need to show evidence of independence, including a nice big wad of cash, like $50,000 minimum.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Medicare doesn’t work fine. Many good doctors don’t take Medicaire. And many that do don’t accept the Medicaire fee schedule. So screw “just fine”. I want a world class medical system where doctors earn what they are supposed to, not what some damnable bureaucrat decides is correct. Many doctors are burning out, many med students are carefully selecting specialties where they can charge good old fashioned cash. Medicare needs to be revoked, and older Americans should be able to privately buy health insurance under a system without any State intervention. Medical costs would be 1/2 what they are now, or maybe even 1/3, if the system were private and fully for-profit where supply and demand determine price. Medicaire is an utter disaster, VA medical care is an utter disaster, and so is every other form of State involvement in health care, and health insurance.
Nonsense. Medicare works fine. There are Doctors who are not accepting new Medicare patients but most of those keep their old Medicare patients and very few actually fully opt out. And many of those who are not taking new Medicare patients will in fact treat you if you pay the difference. And even 72% of US doctors take Medicare.

I would note of the 20 or so Physicians I have used since going on Medicare none have refused it.

And the issue is the difference between Medicare and Insurance Companies...not what the doctor wishes to charge. So it is which bureaucracy do you prefer.

Simple fix. Get Medicare and the Insurance Companies to charge the same rate.

And your thesis is utter garbage. No rational private insurance company is going to accept me as a patient. I bill well over $100,000 a year without having a problem. You could of course prevent pre-existing condition consideration but that is hardly free enterprise.

It is actually interesting. Until I got on Medicare I never in my entire life paid directly for medical care.

And the whole system needs realignment. We need more NPs and such. And with the oncoming AI stuff we will be able to do a much better job with lesser personnel leaving the MDs for the difficult cases.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It would blow your mind if you knew everything that democrats would allow in exchange for 5 million more votes every election cycle for the next 100 years. That is about what they would get with open borders and the stork working overtime.
This post again features the right wing myth. Simply legalize for 10 or 15 years. And the Mexicans tend to be conservative Catholics. If you could get rid of the right wing hostility I suspect the right will do quite well with these people. The democrats will retain many of the first generation who remember. But the kids will not go that way.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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The only people walking around this country and operating in our society should be legal citizens. No one else, unless they are granted asylum for humanitarian purposes on extremely strict guidelines. Like imminent death.
Agree 100% with this. Also, most of those in the caravan could have applied for asylum in any one of the other countries they have passed through to reach the US. Those other countries must not appeal to them....

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When we let people in to our country from Socialist failed economies who do not speak English, we are basically committing a slow societal suicide. They end up voting for collectivist mentally disabled lawmakers like the dopey dumb ditzy dingbat. They vote for the same failed policies of their mother country, because they are not trained from childhood to respect freedom and individualism and capitalism.
Liberals are okay with this in exchange for millions of extra votes. They could care less if those people march into the US waving the flags of their home country and violently shaking their fists as long as they and their anchors show up and vote D in the next 50 years.

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That’s why our immigration policy needs to be merit-based. We should only be admitting people who are conversant with and willing to defend Capitalism, individual liberty, freedom, and personal responsibility. They also need to show evidence of independence.
It is not like doctors, lawyers, and scientists are fleeing here. Many of them are not even literate in THEIR OWN language much less English. As far as the qualities you mentioned, pretty much all of them minus individual liberty go completely against what most liberals in this country really want these days.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:53 PM
 
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Nonsense. Medicare works fine. There are Doctors who are not accepting new Medicare patients but most of those keep their old Medicare patients and very few actually fully opt out. And many of those who are not taking new Medicare patients will in fact treat you if you pay the difference. And even 72% of US doctors take Medicare.

I would note of the 20 or so Physicians I have used since going on Medicare none have refused it.

And the issue is the difference between Medicare and Insurance Companies...not what the doctor wishes to charge. So it is which bureaucracy do you prefer.

Simple fix. Get Medicare and the Insurance Companies to charge the same rate.

And your thesis is utter garbage. No rational private insurance company is going to accept me as a patient. I bill well over $100,000 a year without having a problem. You could of course prevent pre-existing condition consideration but that is hardly free enterprise.

It is actually interesting. Until I got on Medicare I never in my entire life paid directly for medical care.

And the whole system needs realignment. We need more NPs and such. And with the oncoming AI stuff we will be able to do a much better job with lesser personnel leaving the MDs for the difficult cases.
https://www.hlc.org/news/more-physic...care-patients/

This will increase over time. State run health care is not only theft of services, it is a slow rolling disaster that ends up killing people through accumulated implicit inefficiency. So “Medicaire works just fine” is simply a denial of reality. Medicaire is a fail, both in theory and in practice. It needs to be abolished in favor of a free and private system.
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