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Old 11-26-2018, 01:45 AM
 
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But while no business is a charity, society has the right to regulate business. Society regulates business on everything from work-place safety to consumer safety of their products - and indeed even in the USA there is a minimum wage. The minimum wage however is grotesquely inadequate and needs to be raised to reflect inflation. This is not a paradigm shift - this is just raising something that hasn't been properly raised in decades.

The real minimum wage was highest in the 1950s and 1960s - two golden decades in America's economic history. Yet, none of you seem to want to emulate this. It's rather quite baffling.

You're fine and even desire going back to 1950s and 1960s demographics but don't want 1950s/1960s worker protections like a minimum wage hike to reflect the same real value it was back then?
Most of this post is gibberish, incoherent, but fact is no politician has any idea what min.wage should be for the millions of people with as many varied skill sets participating in different markets. The price of labor is simply what the buyer and seller agree upon and it starts at zero.
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Old 11-26-2018, 01:59 AM
 
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The price of labor is simply what the buyer and seller agree upon and it starts at zero.
No it doesn't, not in the USA even. Try again.
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:41 AM
 
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It's unlikely that if you work at Walmart you work 40 hours a week, 69% of their workers are part time and it's not as easy as you seem to think it is to juggle two jobs. In low paying jobs hours are changed weekly so it becomes difficult if not impossible to find a second job where the employer will give you hours that coincide with your Walmart schedule.
Ours closes by 11 every night so overnight jobs at gas marts are automatically doable.
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:19 AM
 
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The idea of a minimum wage is that the job they do is enough for them to survive on. There is no point for anyone to do a job they can't live off of. So raise that minimum wage. What's the purpose of your 7+something minimum wage if it can't support even a single person in most of the USA?

This is akin to a business regulation similar to safety regulations in the workplace, overtime compensation, etc.

But yet you, boneyard, whose probably some working class or middle class stiff, is objecting? Why? Because you're brainwashed.

MOST minimum wage jobs are part time.


Part time work will NEVER be enough to "live off of"! That's REALITY. It's about time adults got used to it!
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:25 AM
 
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Yeah everyone in this thread commenting so far is "retired early" and "successful" and most importantly, happy. I bet your dicks are 12" as well, but I don't care, this thread is not about you. Whether you're successful or not, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

And you wonder WHY we DON'T hold people like you in high esteem!


You post, people respond, you don't LIKE what they said so you resort to juvenile insulting gutter language.


No wonder you are stuck at minimize wage. It IS apparent why!
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:30 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There seems to be some myth that everyone at Walmart makes very low wages . I know one guy that was up for a management position at Walmart , pay was going to be $60,000 . No college degree .

But at the end of the day labor has a value . A business is not a charity . If Walmart could pay each employees $50 an hour does that mean they should ?

It is not up to the employer to make sure the employees living expenses are paid . People are free to get another job , side business , side hustle etc .



My brother in law, just closed his used car business and took a job with an oil company, making $82,000 and has never worked in the oil field ever.
His job is to drive around and log fracking chemical levels at the wells. Basically, a meter reader.
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:30 AM
 
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And you wonder WHY we DON'T hold people like you in high esteem!
Was I even wondering? I don't think so. I really don't hold any of you in high regard, in case you can't pick that up from my tone.

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No wonder you are stuck at minimize wage. It IS apparent why!


You wonder why the world thinks Americans are dumb
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:33 AM
 
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Most of this post is gibberish, incoherent, but fact is no politician has any idea what min.wage should be for the millions of people with as many varied skill sets participating in different markets. The price of labor is simply what the buyer and seller agree upon and it starts at zero.

A national minimum wage is asinine coinciding the variances in the Cost of Living across the country.


$15 an hour in NY city won't get you anywhere.


$15 an hour in Alabama is an entirely different story!


A PRIME case for "1 size does NOT fit all"!
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Minimum wage simply sets the minimum amount to be paid. It's a starting point for negotiation.

The problem is the supply of people is to high. We live in a supply and demand economy. As long as Fred is willing to do the job for a dollar less than Wilma, Fred will get the job. We have too many people in this country willing to take that minimum wage (then grumble about it of course.) Immigration is also a factor in this. They may not be taking the Walmart jobs, but they are taking the unskilled labor jobs (that pay under the table or look the other way) and forcing more people into Walmart jobs. The loss of American manufacturing has also driven many workers into low paying jobs. In some cities, Walmart is all that is left.

If we want to fix this problem, we need to stop having multiple kids per parent, start holding employers responsible for hiring illegal aliens, and focus on buying "American Made" products. We need to stop buying cheap Chinese junk and bring back a market for American products.

We have the ability to change this, but not the will. Stop blaming Walmart and start looking inward.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:12 AM
 
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Minimum wage simply sets the minimum amount to be paid. It's a starting point for negotiation.

The problem is the supply of people is to high. We live in a supply and demand economy. As long as Fred is willing to do the job for a dollar less than Wilma, Fred will get the job. We have too many people in this country willing to take that minimum wage (then grumble about it of course.) Immigration is also a factor in this. They may not be taking the Walmart jobs, but they are taking the unskilled labor jobs (that pay under the table or look the other way) and forcing more people into Walmart jobs. The loss of American manufacturing has also driven many workers into low paying jobs. In some cities, Walmart is all that is left.

If we want to fix this problem, we need to stop having multiple kids per parent, start holding employers responsible for hiring illegal aliens, and focus on buying "American Made" products. We need to stop buying cheap Chinese junk and bring back a market for American products.

We have the ability to change this, but not the will. Stop blaming Walmart and start looking inward.
The US could let workers unionize, but workers as individuals have almost no bargaining chips when negotiating. Very few people (and none posting on this thread) are truly expendable where they can properly negotiate with a large corporation which is why we have safety checks in place from the government.

It's not just wages, but access to health insurance, and safety standards at the workplace.
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