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Old 12-08-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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So righties get all excited about "war zones" and protests when they believe the protesters are on their side?

But they DETEST peaceful protests like kneeling football players and pink hats.

Interesting how the right to protest isn't extended to your fellow Americans.
This is not a right wing protest.

It is a left wing movement backed by unions, farmers, and students.

But Americans aren't allowed to know that because that would show the democrats who support Macron as the right wing frauds they are.

And conservatives make this pro-Trump because that is the only way they're allowed to see the world.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:42 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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The French have a lively civic movement unlike America where people worship the powerful.

Bernie is center right/left, he is not what this is about. Real left wing movements have nothing to do with taxes, they have to do with moving control of wealth from corporations to the workers.

That is why people are fighting for their rights, they are fighting against the thug Macron who serves bankers and the elite.
They’ve known to have a bloody revolution unlike the British if that’s what you mean. I was caught under the air traffic controller strike last year, so thanks but no thanks to all these civic movement.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:43 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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This is not a right wing protest.

It is a left wing movement backed by unions, farmers, and students.

But Americans aren't allowed to know that because that would show the democrats who support Macron as the right wing frauds they are.

And conservatives make this pro-Trump because that is the only way they're allowed to see the world.
Left wing here in America has always been unions and students. Maybe not the farmers.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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First of all, the word "Populist" comes from tbe same root word as "Population".

Populist = The people. As in "We the people".

The alternative is the elites, which most people who speak derisively about "Populists" fail to mention.

You are right about these people being mainstream socialist leftists. Their problem is they are still expecting Macron and the leadership of France to deliver on their utopian socialist promises, and not at their expense, either. Of course that is just not how socialism actually works. The promises are just a manipulative ploy to get power. The benefits are for the elites. Everyone else gets to suffer or pay. If they ever get to the point of casting off the accountability of democratic elections, that is when the horror show will really begin.

And that is how socialism ACTUALLY works.
You know nothing about the French left.

Read Proudhon, look at the Paris communes, etc.

Leftism is about turning wealth and power into the hands of the working class and away from the elite, it has nothing to do with taxes.

Democratic assemblies, worker councils, etc. That is what the French want, no more rent dictated by the elite and no more taxes dictated by the same people to keep the working class down.

Macron came to power promising to empower investment capitalists, and the American elite can't let its people know that these french protesters are not far right because that would expose the democrats as the corporate frauds they are.

Obama and all the liberal media/Hollywood united around this guy, that is our standard for what is 'left-wing'.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They’ve known to have a bloody revolution unlike the British if that’s what you mean. I was caught under the air traffic controller strike last year, so thanks but no thanks to all these civic movement.
They fight for democracy and freedom.

America and the UK have an authoritarian culture where people are taught to respect the elite and powerful.

That is why people in this country think the democrats and republicans are on different sides, they are both tools of the business class.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:49 PM
 
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By the way. For all the people left of center that a excited by the "gilets jaunes" and are hoping for a leftist uprising in this country. The online world of the yellow vests is riddled with antisemtic statements and memes. 'Macron is the President of the Jews' is a major theme there.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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This is not a right wing protest.

It is a left wing movement backed by unions, farmers, and students.

But Americans aren't allowed to know that because that would show the democrats who support Macron as the right wing frauds they are.

And conservatives make this pro-Trump because that is the only way they're allowed to see the world.
This is people of varied beliefs that are protesting. Left/Right/Center. That's the only reason it has worked at all.

We refuse to understand that.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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They’ve known to have a bloody revolution unlike the British if that’s what you mean. I was caught under the air traffic controller strike last year, so thanks but no thanks to all these civic movement.
We wouldn't want to put the needs of the people ahead of you getting to wherever you were going on time.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Read their demands.

These protest are coming from farmers, union workers, and students, all demanding more democracy in the economy instead of corporate rule and all calling for less rent and taxes and the poor working class.

Sure, fuel taxes impact lots of different people and the protests expanded to new people.

Are you denying the media coverage that says that the riots were sparked by the increase in fuel taxes. What evidence do you have that the media is lying when they were interviewing people early on saying such?




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This is a people's movement and Macron is a right wing thug.
So Macron is a right winger in a left leaning party that formed an alliance with a further to the left political party...that openly calls himself a "progressive" and "socially liberal," supports large social safety nets, opposes nationalism, supports globalism, supports liberal immigration - is a right winger because he wants to reduce corruption in politics, make college admissions based on merit, and other reforms to create long-term solvency?
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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By the way. For all the people left of center that a excited by the "gilets jaunes" and are hoping for a leftist uprising in this country. The online world of the yellow vests is riddled with antisemtic statements and memes. 'Macron is the President of the Jews' is a major theme there.

This is a problem only Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez can solve.
She is brilliant and born to solve these kinds of issues.
Tells ya everything ya need to know on climate.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/alex...185704625.html

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...e-civil-rights
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