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Old 11-26-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Lol. So you are basically saying that we are somehow entitled to have higher emissions per capita, while others should do with less? India and China populations are each more than 4 times that of US. EU is almost twice. So, with that, look at your graph again.
P.S. That's not to say that the increasing total emissions from many of the developing countries are not a problem.
Were you not able to see the post I quoted and I was replying to?....didn't read it?

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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
We have been the largest consumer per capita for decades
I am saying that global warming does not care about a countries "per capita" or "GDP"....
Tracking CO2 emissions based on per capita or GDP is a scam...
Allowing other countries to increase their emissions based on per capita or GDP is a scam...

If CO2 causes global warming, and global warming is as dangerous as they hype it..no country would be allowed to increase putting more poisonous gas in the atmosphere...and yes, they claim people will die from global warming..and it's caused by CO2...that makes CO2 a poisonous gas

But that is exactly what the UN/IPCC has put into place....they declared the vast majority of countries as "developing".... that includes China, Russia, India...Kuwait??...over 200 countries get to increase their CO2 emissions

The UN/IPCC doesn't even believe their own science.....the vast minority of countries have to decrease...the vast majority can increase

Even if were possible for the US to drop CO2 emissions to zero...it would make no difference now...China alone, with the UN/IPCC blessings, have tripled their emissions...China's emissions are now twice the USA
...if the US dropped to zero...global emission targets would still be way too high

China is building over 200 new coal plants....more than enough to power the entire USA...they have no intentions of lowering their emissions.......
30 coal plants closed in the US in 2017....China is building 200

 
Old 11-26-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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Climate change is starting to kill people and it's only going to get worse. That's an undeniable fact.

It is negligence, bordering on criminal negligence, for a president to deny solidly accepted science when it results in fatalities.

The Republicans have built this ridiculous false choice that we have to choose between a good environment or a good economy. That's a false choice. You can have both. In fact, the solar and wind industry has been great for jobs and the economy.
 
Old 11-26-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Climate change is starting to kill people and it's only going to get worse. That's an undeniable fact.

It is negligence, bordering on criminal negligence, for a president to deny solidly accepted science when it results in fatalities.

The Republicans have built this ridiculous false choice that we have to choose between a good environment or a good economy. That's a false choice. You can have both. In fact, the solar and wind industry has been great for jobs and the economy.
Don't know about global warming...but CO2 levels are definitely going to increase
..and there's not one thing the USA can do about it

" In fact, the solar and wind industry has been great for jobs and the economy."

..does that include the $billions we're out of from backing failed companies...Solandra comes to mind, but there were dozens of them
 
Old 11-26-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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Climate change is starting to kill people and it's only going to get worse. That's an undeniable fact.

It is negligence, bordering on criminal negligence, for a president to deny solidly accepted science when it results in fatalities.

The Republicans have built this ridiculous false choice that we have to choose between a good environment or a good economy. That's a false choice. You can have both. In fact, the solar and wind industry has been great for jobs and the economy.
^That's hyperbole defined!^
 
Old 11-26-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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Remember when they took climate-change information off the official website?

Funny, if Trump weren't so obstinate and dumb ... there's probably money to be made in environmentally sound policies.

Last edited by Clarallel; 11-26-2018 at 04:37 PM..
 
Old 11-26-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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... there's probably money to be made in environmentally sound policies.
Official global warming is over 70 year old..they've been trying that for over 70 years
...with plenty of democrat presidents and politicians

Haven't been able to make that work yet......Obama tried giving them $billions...most gave themselves a raise and declared bankruptcy
 
Old 11-26-2018, 07:13 PM
 
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We've got a problem Houston...
Global temperatures have been going down...with a few little normal up spikes
...we're just in a little up spike right now

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph...-10000-new.png
Did you say, "right now"? Your graph only goes up to 1855. As it indicates, the most recent data point is from 95 years prior to 1950.

Since 1855, the Greenland ice core temperature has increased 1.5F. That is a big jump. http://hot-topic.co.nz/wp-content/up...mpBoxlarge.png

The other thing that climate change deniers are ignoring is that the previous spikes in temperature during the past millions of years have been correlated to major carbon releases. What caused the carbon releases to spike during the periods is uncertain -- could have been big fires, volcanoes, asteroid collisions, or other large scale events. However, this current carbon spike has been directly correlated to man-made activities.
 
Old 11-26-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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WASHINGTON — The Trump White House, which has defined itself by a willingness to dismiss scientific findings and propose its own facts, on Friday issued a scientific report that directly contradicts its own climate-change policies.
That sets the stage for a remarkable split-screen political reality in coming years. The administration is widely expected to discount or ignore the report’s detailed findings of the economic strain caused by climate change, even as it continues to cut environmental regulations, while opponents use it to mount legal attacks against the very administration that issued the report.
Trump Administration


There is just no limit to the IDIOCY of this "BRAIN-DEAD ANTI-INTELLIGENCE ̶P̶r̶e̶s̶i̶d̶e̶n̶t̶ !

We shouldn't be surprised when we are trying to be conned by a con president. He is a master manipulator and liar.
 
Old 11-26-2018, 07:31 PM
 
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Since 1855, the Greenland ice core temperature has increased 1.5F. That is a big jump. http://hot-topic.co.nz/wp-content/up...mpBoxlarge.png
Your graph shows a 3.5 degree increase from 1920 to 1930...3.5 degree increase in only 10 years

Your 2000 to 2009....only 9 years....average...is the same as the average from 1925 to 1960..35 years......before global warming

It also shows from 1925 to 1970 a decrease in temp of 4.5 degrees...temps were decreasing when global warming had started


Also the increase from 1900 to 1930...is exactly the same as the increase from 1970 to 2003....are you saying the first one was normal..and the second one was global warming?

What caused that?
 
Old 11-26-2018, 07:36 PM
 
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I for one would like to see our country prepare for the changes before us. Right now we can do no long-term planning.

The issue should not be a political one, changes are coming and those of us who will still be around will all face them together.
Neither you or anyone else knows what that means. and if the govt is involved it will involve politicization, theft, incompetence and loss of individual freedoms the likes that have not been since the unpatriotic act. These are all hallmarks of govt run schemes and one wonders why an entity that cant solve one problem without creating scads of others in the process should be trusted to run "the climate"
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