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Old 11-28-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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So many people in America who work full time cost the taxpayers lots of money. Even though they work full time, their income is so low that us taxpayers subsidize their income. We pay for their food stamps, expanded Medicaid, part of their rent, children's lunch at school, Earned Income Tax Credits, etc, etc.

Basically, if you are unskilled and make a low-income Uncle Sam is paying lots of money to subsidize your lifestyle. I am not saying this is right or wrong, just that it is a fact.

Considering about 60% of jobs are low income and someone has to do them for our society and economy to run efficiently, we will always have low wage workers who are supported by the taxpayers.

Or is there another way? Is it possible economically for all full-time workers making enough money that they don't need any government help? Could our economic system pay all full-time workers, regardless of education or skill level enough money that they would not need government welfare programs to survive? Or would this cause huge inflation and become self defeating?
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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No.
There are people who will not make "enough money" no matter how much they make. Subsidies will never be "enough" for those people, so wages will never be "adequate".
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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There will always be a section of the population that needs help. They cannot help it really. (yes, I know there are people who could and maybe should do better but it is just not feasible for some people). It is a better country for everyone for people to have a safety net for food and healthcare.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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What is your specific point Specific Point?

Are you suggesting that the Gov. set the mini wage to a living wage of $15 per hour regardless of ones skills, talents, education or even desire to work hard?



I know a married couple and they are both on disability due to many health problems some of which were from heredity and others that were brought on by not taking care of themselves properly. The state pays them to be sick and offers no incentive for them to improve themselves. They are allowed to earn up to a certain wage but if they go over it they will start losing the welfare. They live hand to mouth and there is no helping them.



The country needs to look at welfare reform state by state and kick the people off of it that are taking advantage of it.

Welfare used to be a crutch to help people in the short term but now it is more like a wheelchair where people use it to roll through life.



If the Gov. gave everyone a job that gave them enough money to live a decent life it still wouldn't be enough for them.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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What is your specific point Specific Point?

Are you suggesting that the Gov. set the mini wage to a living wage of $15 per hour regardless of ones skills, talents, education or even desire to work hard?



I know a married couple and they are both on disability due to many health problems some of which were from heredity and others that were brought on by not taking care of themselves properly. The state pays them to be sick and offers no incentive for them to improve themselves. They are allowed to earn up to a certain wage but if they go over it they will start losing the welfare. They live hand to mouth and there is no helping them.



The country needs to look at welfare reform state by state and kick the people off of it that are taking advantage of it.

Welfare used to be a crutch to help people in the short term but now it is more like a wheelchair where people use it to roll through life.



If the Gov. gave everyone a job that gave them enough money to live a decent life it still wouldn't be enough for them.
If they are on disability at least they have health insurance. I'm not sure if you are saying they are not really disabled or if they are scamming. It is not easy for people with health problems to hold good jobs with decent insurance and it is terrifying if you are the sick one to know you could lose your insurance at any time.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Cali
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it's possible if you only have yourself to feed.


but if you are feeding 5 kids with one income while making minimum wage or slightly above minimum wage? no
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The government "gives" you help whether you want it or not.

Take it and like it or else...that's its motto.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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Since any money handed out by the govt. must first be taken from someone else, there is no moral argument for any assistance schemes.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:01 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Yes, all full-time workers can live without govt subsidies. Start by getting married & not having kids until you're financial capable of raising them. A couple, making minimum wage, each working full-time, earns above the poverty level.

For those not getting married, live at home until you do. I lived in Latin America for 20 years. 18 y/o's don't just move out of the house & get on govt subsidies. They live at home until they're ready to get married and start a life with a partner.

Those two points alone would eliminate the majority of full-time workers needing govt subsidies.

If I were 'dictator for life', I would also implement a 'must work' policy for all able-bodied adults, not staying home with kids under 5 y/o. Want to get govt subsidies? No problem. Find a full-time job & the govt will make up the difference between earnings and the poverty line. Can't find a job, the govt will assign you one. You may not like the one the govt assigns you, so it'd be smart to find your own.

Also as 'dictator for life', I'd eliminate the property tax on primary residences that cost say...under $500k. In Latin America, mostly there are no property taxes, so once a poor family pays off their modest house, the kids get it with no mortgage & no chance of losing it to the tax man. Normally the family will buy a plot of land & pay it off monthly over 3-5 years. Then, every time they have a few extra bucks, they buy concrete blocks and stack 'em up. Soon, they have enough blocks to lay the foundation. Every time they have enough blocks, another level is built up from the foundation. It may take years to finish that house, or even generations, but once it's finally done, there's no monthly mortgage & no tax man waiting to take the property away. It's that family's home for life. It allows poor people to not have the financial burden of housing to deal with. Take away a person's housing costs and life looks a lot different.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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No. There is a such thing as balance that neither party believes in.

25% of the people have an IQ less than 90. You dont make tech workers out of them. We need to balance a decent dignified life for them vs. the guy with an IQ of 130 who employs them. Both need to thrive and we need to recognize that IQ130 is going to live on a higher level economically.
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