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The semantic issue isn't about scariness, it's about lethality. It's about trying to categorize firearms into 'more lethal' and 'less lethal' buckets. It's much easier to kill a nightclub full of people with a machine gun than with a muzzle loader or pump shotgun. This is why we ban things like bump stocks and extended magazines, because these things only serve to make firearms more lethal.
Fertilizer was used to killed MANY in Columbine.
Why haven't we we banned IT yet?
Cars kill MORE in a year then ALL guns.
Why haven't we BANNED them YET.
Swimming pools kill MORE then rifles.
Why haven't we BANNED them YET.
Blunt instruments, like baseball bats, kill MORE then rifles.
Why haven't we BANNED them YET.
More people in places like Chicago on a week end get killed by guns then do other places with guns do in a month.
Why don't we see post after post on how to STOP THAT CARNAGE?
Because you DON'T want to talk bout the REASONS WHY and how to stop them.
MANY of us know you and your kind are NOT really interested in saving lives, just BANNING or restricting GUNS.
You use a shotgun with cartridges for shooting birds such as grouse and pheasant, whilst in terms of culling deer or other mammals you need a high powered rifle, not a self loading weapon. The idea of shooting birds or even mammals with a self loading rifle or semi-automatic is ridiculous.
Furthermore the animal must not suffer, and crosbow/bow hunting is illegal as is the use of explosives, whilst there are strict rules in relation to seasions for particular birds/animals.
You don't need a self loading weapon to hunt full stop, nor do you need one for target shooting or clay pigeon shooting.
There are three basic types of licence in the UK, a shotgun licence, a firearms licence (rifle) and a spoecialist licence for high powered rifles used to cull deer ot take certain mammals out cleanly with as little suffering as possible.
"whilst in terms of culling deer or other mammals you need a high powered rifle, not a self loading weapon"
I used a semi-auto shotgun for 38 years to hunt deer. Got a lot of them. GREAT tasting.
"and crosbow/bow hunting is illegal" NOT IN MANY STATES probably MOST states
You better let States here in the former colonies know that you can't hunt deer with shotguns and need a high powered rifle. Several require shotguns only and ban rifles for deer hunting.
Also have them enact a ban on both traditional and crossbow hunting since both are common and very popular.
As far as "ridiculous " goes, I use a Browning "self loading" shotgun for waterfowl hunting, as well as other small game (occasionally since I prefer sub-gauges for small game) and also for deer (even though, according to you, you "need" a high powered rifle for deer the State of Maryland bans rifles in much of the state).
I don't think the poster knows as much about "arms' as he want us to think.
Apparently he has never heard of a "slug" barrel in either rifled or non rifled.
I love my Remington 1100
Today's new Cross bows are EXTREMELY accurate, lighter and are much easier to get off a good shot then trying to hold a compound steady.
Using a self loading or semi automatic weapon is not sport or hunting it's just a massacre, in Britain we have wildlife acts and rules in order to protect species.
As for deers, I have already pointed out you need a powerful rifle in order to take a deer out cleanly, which is why the UK has rules specifing that a gun needs to be of at least a specific calibre and you must apply for a specific licence, this also extends to some other mammals.
"Using a self loading or semi automatic weapon is not sport or hunting it's just a massacre,"
So you are an excellent shot and NEVER miss the exact kill spot you aim at.
You have NEVER wounded an animal and NOT gotten of the Perfect kill shot?
I don't think you are that good.
It is better to have addition rounds immediately available to be used for missed shots to so the animal doesn't run away and die suffering or multiple animals to shoot at.
I have seen multiple deer, shot 1 and the others just stand there so I was able to shoot another.
I don 't think you have ever hunted deer or other big game.
Give it up, you LOST the revolutionary War, get over it!
Shootings not just for the landed gentry in the UK there are numerous clubs, and again you don't need self loading weapons, and the laws in relation to self loading weapons are there to help preserve species as well as in relation to more deadly sef loading weapons having been used in mass murders in the past.
In terms of deer they are taken out at at least around 100 yards with high powered rifles with very accurate sights, although in Scotland it averages at 125 yards to 250 yards, which is hardly shotgun territory.
"In terms of deer they are taken out at at least around 100 yards with high powered rifles with very accurate sights,"
The point is that we shouldn't accept a society where cops slaughtering people in the streets and in their own homes and the U.S. military slaughtering people overseas is considered normal--which, thanks to Statism, it is.
Actual Slaughter
During a 100 day period in 1990, the Huntu run government of Rawanda murdered between .5M and 1M Tutsi. The population at the time was about 7,111,000. Using the lower number of 500,000, this works out to 7% of the population. In others words, .07% of the population was killed on average every day for 100 days.
Your drama-queen version of a slaughter
In 2017, police killed 1,147 people in the United States, which had a population of 325,700,000 at the time. Police killed .00035% of the population over the course of the entire year. That works out to .00000096% of the population per day. Furthermore, the Tutsi were running for their lives, whereas the vast majority of US police shootings involved people who were actively committing a crime and/or attacking police.
You're welcome in advance for helping you to understand what a slaughter is.
Quick Enough seems to be having an argument with himself.
You can hunt perfectly well using a traditional shotgun in terms of birds ,and a high powered rifle in terms of larger mammals.
There are plenty of peole who hunt in the UK, and most would just laugh at those suggesting you need automatic weapons or hand guns.
In terms of certain semi automatic weapons, they are legal in the UK, as long as they are restricted to .22 rimfire ammunition, however as I have already explained they are mainly used for target shooting at places such as Bisley and numerous other gun clubs and ranges across the UK.
This is why I don't use the term "assault rifle." Because then gun nuts can get up on their high horse about definitions and what constitutes an assault rifle and thereby change the narrative from "we should do something about high powered rifles" to "you're a dumb butt who doesn't know guns."
If you're going to advocate banning or enacting more restrictive regulations on a Constitutional right.....
Is it not too much to ask for you to actually have a rudimentary understanding of the subject?
I couldn't tell you how many discussions I've had with anti-gun types who think the AR-15 is a machine gun.
And for those talking about hunting in this thread....
Stop it.
The 2nd amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting.
And when you engage with gun control advocates in this manner, you are letting them lead the discussion into irrelevant claptrap in order to make their position seem more rational.
Stop falling for it.
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