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Old 12-02-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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No, no he didn't but the Russians did play a major major role.

FYI- US supplies to Russia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-L...e_Soviet_Union

I'm extremely appreciatitve of the Russian sacrifice (after first teaming up with Hitler to tag-team Poland etc.) but anyone that is well read on the topic knows that Russias great contribution would have failed without the US and British (see link) support nor vice-versa.

Happy to have an educated discussion about this further if you have other insights. Thanks.
I'm well aware of Lend-Lease. It was an absolutely awful policy that dragged this country into yet another European conflict.

Even without the U.S. contributions to the Soviet Union, they still would've defeated the Germans, due to the harsh weather conditions and the arrogance of the Nazis. My point stands.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Robert McNamara finally understood his folly when Viet Nam took his son.
Huh? He had only one son and he is an organic farmer in California. Still alive to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Craig_McNamara
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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After the U.S. was attacked by Japan, FDR did not declare war on Germany only on Japan. Hitler declared war on the U.S. first.
Bluto?

Germany didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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Interesting read

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f82640184bd4
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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What a silly comparison. Atom bomb technology under the control of a US president isn't even in the same universe as atom bomb technology under the control of Hitler. Get real.
What's silly about it?

Are U.S. Presidents angels descended from heaven? Do no U.S. Presidents commit war crimes?

I mean, Trump is literally Hitler, and he has the nuclear codes.

Get real.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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We all supplied the Nazi line to slow down the Russian advance.

Don't kid yourself, Russia won the war.
Nope it was a group effort. Without the USA and it's work and finished material Russia would not have survived. 2 front war was always the failure of Hitler and his plans. Ego and crazy were Hitler's weakness.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Hitler was so stupid, he declared war on the USA. Apparently he did not get the memo from his General staff they could not invade the USA.
He was stupid. He also thought he could defeat the Russian army in the dead of winter.

It's what happens when you have a 2.5 inch willy.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:03 PM
 
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What's silly about it?

Are U.S. Presidents angels descended from heaven? Do no U.S. Presidents commit war crimes?

I mean, Trump is literally Hitler, and he has the nuclear codes.

Get real.
I don't know what planet you live on. You sound like you don't know Hitler's personality, goals, and insanity very well.

He would have no problem using nukes on anyone and everyone who isn't German. The USA would use them only as a last resort. HUGE difference.

The current world is stabilized by Mutual Assured Destruction. That strategy would never work if Hitler was the leader of a nuclear capable country. How can you not see that? He makes North Korea's insane leader seem tame by comparison.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yep, I know a Canadian guy who is pretty damn conservative...but he is the first to say it was the Russians who defeated Hitler. Of course, we'll never know for sure but the Russians probably deserve more credit than many of us would like to admit.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I don't know what planet you live on. You sound like you don't know Hitler's personality, goals, and insanity very well.

He would have no problem using nukes on anyone and everyone who isn't German. The USA would use them only as a last resort. HUGE difference.

The current world is stabilized by Mutual Assured Destruction. That strategy would never work if Hitler was the leader of a nuclear capable country. How can you not see that?
I admire your tenacity and agree with the above post but you are debating with an ideologue. Truth, nuance and reality be damned.
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