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Old 12-04-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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Suppose a line of 25 people is at a resource center applying for things like social security benefits or employment services. Each person has to show proof of things like socioeconomic status (they have their income stubs for the prev. year), education, and work history. Of those 25, only 6 are White people. The only people that got selected are the White people. This happened a total of 10 times at that same location within a 2-month period. All of these occurrences involved the same White service attendant. Such a pattern is exclusive to this resource center location and any of the other associated locations.

The Native Americans, Asians, Blacks, and any other non-Whites in lines believe it was a case of "I was not picked because I am not White". For clarification, when the White service attendant history was investigated, there were no documented cases (vlogs, workplace performance evaluations, social media posts, etc.) that hinted at that the service attendant was racist by any definition of the word "racist".

While such a real-life investigation would carry a different wording, for the sake of argument, the hypothetical investigation team's findings are summed up in this quote: "It certainly could be seen as racist in that only Whites got selected each of those 10 times. In that we service only those that qualify, we find that claims those denied were denied because of their race to have no merit whatsoever."

Please explain how such a scenario is a case of servicing only those that qualify vs. discriminating based on race. Truth be told, there is a blurred line between the two. The scenario is try to give an idea that not all "I didn't get picked because I am non-White"-type claims are genuine. Obviously, this is not to be applied to every case as some service refusals are race-based. Yes, I recognize the scenario I presented sounds ludicrous.
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Old 12-04-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Suppose a line of 25 people is at a resource center applying for things like social security benefits or employment services. Each person has to show proof of things like socioeconomic status (they have their income stubs for the prev. year), education, and work history. Of those 25, only 6 are White people. The only people that got selected are the White people. This happened a total of 10 times at that same location within a 2-month period. All of these occurrences involved the same White service attendant. Such a pattern is exclusive to this resource center location and any of the other associated locations.

The Native Americans, Asians, Blacks, and any other non-Whites in lines believe it was a case of "I was not picked because I am not White". For clarification, when the White service attendant history was investigated, there were no documented cases (vlogs, workplace performance evaluations, social media posts, etc.) that hinted at that the service attendant was racist by any definition of the word "racist".

While such a real-life investigation would carry a different wording, for the sake of argument, the hypothetical investigation team's findings are summed up in this quote: "It certainly could be seen as racist in that only Whites got selected each of those 10 times. In that we service only those that qualify, we find that claims those denied were denied because of their race to have no merit whatsoever."

Please explain how such a scenario is a case of servicing only those that qualify vs. discriminating based on race. Truth be told, there is a blurred line between the two. The scenario is try to give an idea that not all "I didn't get picked because I am non-White"-type claims are genuine. Obviously, this is not to be applied to every case as some service refusals are race-based. Yes, I recognize the scenario I presented sounds ludicrous.
A simple statistical analysis would tell you with a high degree of probability racism is involved.
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Old 12-04-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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What could for the low degree of probability it is a "just because something may appear racist doesn't mean it actually is"-type situation?
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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6/25 to the tenth power is an extremely small number. Racism is involved. I conservatively factored in just one white was picked each time.
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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So now we are down to fiction stories to try and find racism.....wow
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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So now we are down to fiction stories to try and find racism.....wow
for supposedly being so undesirable, it sure is hunted avidly.
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Suppose a line of 25 people is at a resource center applying for things like social security benefits or employment services. Each person has to show proof of things like socioeconomic status (they have their income stubs for the prev. year), education, and work history. Of those 25, only 6 are White people. The only people that got selected are the White people. This happened a total of 10 times at that same location within a 2-month period. All of these occurrences involved the same White service attendant. Such a pattern is exclusive to this resource center location and any of the other associated locations.

The Native Americans, Asians, Blacks, and any other non-Whites in lines believe it was a case of "I was not picked because I am not White". For clarification, when the White service attendant history was investigated, there were no documented cases (vlogs, workplace performance evaluations, social media posts, etc.) that hinted at that the service attendant was racist by any definition of the word "racist".

While such a real-life investigation would carry a different wording, for the sake of argument, the hypothetical investigation team's findings are summed up in this quote: "It certainly could be seen as racist in that only Whites got selected each of those 10 times. In that we service only those that qualify, we find that claims those denied were denied because of their race to have no merit whatsoever."

Please explain how such a scenario is a case of servicing only those that qualify vs. discriminating based on race. Truth be told, there is a blurred line between the two. The scenario is try to give an idea that not all "I didn't get picked because I am non-White"-type claims are genuine. Obviously, this is not to be applied to every case as some service refusals are race-based. Yes, I recognize the scenario I presented sounds ludicrous.
Those are statistically small numbers.

I'd expect that with such small numbers, the actual documentation was examined in each case--both those whites accepted and those non-whites not accepted--to make sure all those accepted met the qualifications and all those rejected did not.

I'd also like to know how much discretionary authority the individual had to determine qualifications. I'd like to see what would happen if all the cases were run through a race-blind judgment process would they all be judged the same way.
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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Those are statistically small numbers.

I'd expect that with such small numbers, the actual documentation was examined in each case--both those whites accepted and those non-whites not accepted--to make sure all those accepted met the qualifications and all those rejected did not.

I'd also like to know how much discretionary authority the individual had to determine qualifications. I'd like to see what would happen if all the cases were run through a race-blind judgment process would they all be judged the same way.
Ralph, the story was made up bro. If you want to see what you said in the last paragraph, just make it up and post it.
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