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Old 12-08-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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In NC, Mark Harris, the Republican candidate for the House, paid Red Dome Group a half a million to orchestrate a scheme to tamper with absentee ballots in his favor.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...nsulting-firm/

In Texas and Florida, voters complain that electronic voting machines weren't recording their votes correctly. "The errors — which experts have blamed on outdated software and old machines — would appear to work to the advantage of Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz over Democratic challenger Beto O'Rourke, and that of Georgia GOP gubernatorial candidate Brian Kemp over Democrat Stacey Abrams."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...idterms-959980

In Florida, Ross Spano, the Republican candidate for the House, "admitted in a letter to the Federal Elections Commission that he financed his congressional run with personal loans, a clear violation of campaign finance regulations."

Ross Spano cops to having used personal loans for campaign - Florida Politics

In Georgia, Brian Kemp, then Secretary of State and now slated to be Republican Governor, improperly purged more than 340,000 voters from the state’s registration rolls, and "blocked the registrations of 50,000 would-be voters, 80% of them black, Latino or Asian, because of minor discrepancies in the spelling or spacing of their name." Also, an unusual number of absentee ballots were rejected.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ion-brian-kemp

Violations of campaign finance laws are so rampant that it hardly makes a blip on the screen.

The claim is always that it didn't make a big enough difference to change the outcome. Come on, If that was actually case, candidates wouldn't do it.

How long until we have observers from Iraq helping us have fair and honest elections?

At what point do we say enough is enough?

When do we say if your campaign violates the law, then the election results are nullified and we start over?
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Old 12-08-2018, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I'm with you on this one, but we start with a voter ID card. Once we are sure that only people who are supposed to be voting, are actually voting, no illegals, no dead people.....now we can take the next step and clean up the system, use the available technology, and get it right. It's ridiculous that we still don't have a uniform nation wide system to count the votes.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:02 AM
 
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Not sure why you think voter I.D. cards are going to stop election fraud. Even high school students can get fake I.D.s for a reasonable amount.

Groups that harvest absentee ballots can probably get a discount buying in bulk.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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Paper ballots marked with a pen are a good place to start.

But I'm talking of election fraud before we get to the ballot box.

Campaign finance law violations.

Campaigns coordinating with PACs in violation of the law.

Illegally purging voting rolls.

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Every election is followed by investigations and fines. Clearly the fines are not sufficient to stop fraud.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Not sure why you think voter I.D. cards are going to stop election fraud. Even high school students can get fake I.D.s for a reasonable amount.

Groups that harvest absentee ballots can probably get a discount buying in bulk.
Really? You put a thread on here about cleaning up elections, and then you start by saying that voter ID cards can be forged, therefore let's not have them? It's like these people who claim that a WALL on our southern border won't work because it won't keep out 100% of the people who try to cross. Backwards logic.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:18 AM
 
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When should an Election be done over?

An Election should always be “done over” when a Leftist Candidate spends $80 Million dollars (Beto) and Loses and when a Candidate spends almost $3 Billion (The Presumptive Queen ) and Loses.

It’s the only fair thing to do.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:29 AM
 
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I'm with you on this one, but we start with a voter ID card. Once we are sure that only people who are supposed to be voting, are actually voting, no illegals, no dead people.....now we can take the next step and clean up the system, use the available technology, and get it right. It's ridiculous that we still don't have a uniform nation wide system to count the votes.
Good point on a specific voter ID card. I thought this thread was going to be about the 2016 election not the 2018 elections.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Really? You put a thread on here about cleaning up elections, and then you start by saying that voter ID cards can be forged, therefore let's not have them? It's like these people who claim that a WALL on our southern border won't work because it won't keep out 100% of the people who try to cross. Backwards logic.

Something tells me you do not apply that same logic to the gun control debate...
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Something tells me you do not apply that same logic to the gun control debate...
There is no constitutional right for anyone from any foreign country to invade and or remain in this country illegally. We as Americans have a right to secure our borders and to remain a sovereign nation, and there is indeed a 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Big difference....
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Until the best megalomaniac for the job wins!
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