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Believe that story if you like, it doesn't change the fact that the FBI submitted as verified, an unverified dossier, fed by Russian intel agents & then failed to advise the court that the rival Clinton campaign. had paid said Russian intel agents for it.
Detach yourself from emotion: If the FBI lied in the FISA application or omitted evidence that might have swayed the judge, then the FISA warrants are illegal and everything gleamed from them is illegal.
The whole thing is redacted, there is only one paragraph which states;
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The brief passage the FBI left unredacted in the newly released memo gives some background on the former British intelligence officer who compiled the dossier, Christopher Steele, although Steele’s name does not actually appear in the newly released version. The released portion of the synopsis is vague about who financed the project, referring to it as sponsored by “private clients.”
“An FBI source … volunteered highly politically sensitive information … on Russian influence efforts aimed at the US presidential election,” the memo labeled as “Annex A” says. “The source is an executive of a private business intelligence firm and a former employee of a friendly intelligence service who has been compensated for previous reporting over the past three years. The source maintains and collects information from a layered network of identified and unidentified subsources, some of which has been corroborated in the past. The source collected this information on behalf of private clients and was not compensated for it by the FBI.”
“The source’s reporting appears to have been acquired by multiple Western press organizations starting in October,” the document from January 2017 declares.
Quotes from the Dossier were even used in a speech givn by Sir Alax Younger, the Head of the Secret Intelligfence Service (MI6) and the former of MI6 publically stated he believed the Dossier was probably credible. It's also clear that there had been meetings between US Intelligence and Security Services and their foreign counterparts.
The FBI were actually fairly late in starting an investigation given the intelligence and evidence being presented to them from numerous western intelligence agencies. As for Steele's previous work that he was compensated that would have been his involvement in the investigation in to FIFA, during which the FBI made a number of arrests. Steele was never employed by the FBI or received any compensation from the FBI in relation to the Steele Dossier.
To suggest this highly redacted document proves anything is nonsense, and as for Comey if he hadn't have opened an investigation given the intelligence being provided by GCHQ, as well as Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said. Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were also contributors. According to 'The Times' (London) European allies were supplying information about people close to Trump meeting with Russians in Britain, the Netherlands and in other countries.
The main whistleblower in all of this has been GCHQ (Britain's equivalent of the NSA) according to sources and not Steele, although this doesn't mean Steele's Dossier was not credible, it was just one part of what was a much bigger picture.
As for the FISA in relation to Carter Page it was issued at the same time as the FISA in to two banks in Estonia suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s undercover influence operation.
One person familiar with the matter said Brennan did not reveal sources but made reference to the fact that America’s intelligence allies had provided information. Trump subsequently learned of GCHQ’s role, the person said.
The person described US intelligence as being “very late to the game”. The FBI’s director, James Comey, altered his position after the election and Trump’s victory, becoming “more affirmative” and with a “higher level of concern”.
Comey’s apparent shift may have followed a mid-October decision by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court to approve a secret surveillance order.
The order gave permission for the Department of Justice to investigate two banks suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s undercover influence operation.
According to the BBC, the justice department’s request came after a tipoff from an intelligence agency in one of the Baltic states. This is believed to be Estonia.
The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the same order covered Carter Page, one of Trump’s associates. It allowed the FBI and the justice department to monitor Page’s communications. Page, a former foreign policy aide, was suspected of being an agent of influence working for Russia, the paper said, citing US officials.
.. and much of it has been verified as seen in the indictments and convictions so far.
Really? Which of those indictments and convictions have been over collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government to influence the election again?
All the evidence so far is that the Trump administration did NOT pay a foreign operative to provide "dirt" on the Clinton administration, even when offered.
However-all the evidence so far proves that the DNC DID pay a foreign operative to fabricate "dirt" on Trump.
The whole thing is redacted, there is only one paragraph which states;
Quotes from the Dossier were even used in a speech givn by Sir Alax Younger, the Head of the Secret Intelligfence Service (MI6) and the former of MI6 publically stated he believed the Dossier was probably credible. It's also clear that there had been meetings between US Intelligence and Security Services and their foreign counterparts.
The FBI were actually fairly late in starting an investigation given the intelligence and evidence being presented to them from numerous western intelligence agencies. As for Steele's previous work that he was compensated that would have been his involvement in the investigation in to FIFA, during which the FBI made a number of arrests. Steele was never employed by the FBI or received any compensation from the FBI in relation to the Steele Dossier.
To suggest this highly redacted document proves anything is nonsense, and as for Comey if he hadn't have opened an investigation given the intelligence being provided by GCHQ, as well as Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said. Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were also contributors. According to 'The Times' (London) European allies were supplying information about people close to Trump meeting with Russians in Britain, the Netherlands and in other countries.
The main whistleblower in all of this has been GCHQ (Britain's equivalent of the NSA) according to sources and not Steele, although this doesn't mean Steele's Dossier was not credible, it was just one part of what was a much bigger picture.
As for the FISA in relation to Carter Page it was issued at the same time as the FISA in to two banks in Estonia suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s undercover influence operation.
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That's all great. Now, was the Russian intelligence Dossier verified at the time of FISA application, as they claimed? No, it was not. That's illegal.
The FISA Application was based on information developed over the course of several years including information from GCHQ and other foreign intelligence services, hence other intelligence services warning not to release secret information.
There was more than enough evidence that an impartial federal judge believed there was probable cause to allow the US Government to continue its investigation.
GCHQ were cited by many as being the main contributer rather than Christopher Steele, however the intelligence services of several European countries and other countries beyond Europe were involved. The British eavesdropping agency GCHQ was even describes as the “principal whistleblower” and intelligence and evidemce was been provided long before the Steele dossier.
As a result the whole thing is heavily redacted, and only a paragraph regarding Steele was actually released, as a lot of the other evdence has nothing to do with Steele or his dossier.
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How the Russia Inquiry Began: A Campaign Aide, Drinks and Talk of Political Dirt
During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.... Australian officials passed the information about Mr. Papadopoulos to their American counterparts,
Trump's campaign was caught with it's hand in the cookie jar (7 Americans convicted or indicted so far,+Russians) and all you care about is "who told?"
I’m sorry if you believe that was what actually started this whole thing. How gullible are some people, they’ll believe anything they’re told.
The FISA Application was based on information developed over the course of several years including information from GCHQ and other foreign intelligence services, hence other intelligence services warning not to release secret information.
There was more than enough evidence that an impartial federal judge believed there was probable cause to allow the government to continue its investigation.
GCHQ were cited by many as being the main contributer rather than Christopher Steele, however the intelligence services of several European countries and other countries beyond Europe were involved.
As a result the whole thing is heavily redacted, and only a paragraph regarding Steele was actually released, as a lot of the other evdence has nothing to do with Steele or his dossier.
Everything in the application was based on the Russian intel dossier, that Clinton paid for. It is indisputable that the Russian intel dossier was the central line of evidence in the application. The semantics don't matter though, because whether it was the only evidence, the predominant evidence or one tiny bit of evidence, because the FBI lied and claimed it was verified accurate, when it was not & that's illegal.
Those payments are only illegal if it can be proved that they would not have otherwise been made outside of the campaign for personal reasons.
This is not something that can be proved.... it is a matter of opinion.
Cohen is going to jail for pleading guilty to something that wasn't even a crime.
Trump has paid many people to settle things like this in the past. Short of hard evidence that no one's heard about yet, this is a non-issue, meant to generate a false narrative that Trump is guilty, but is above the law and must be stopped.
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